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NN is an excellent example of framing by naming. Imagine if it was called the the "More Internet Regulation Act". Prima facie it's a more accurate name. Since

NN is an excellent example of framing by naming. Imagine if it was called the the "More Internet Regulation Act". Prima facie it's a more accurate name. Since this is going to happen (reverting to the way it was for ~25 years), I'll point out that an echo chamber forms by default because most of us who might spend time arguing about it don't see a good reason to. Aside... the largest cable provider decided it would be a good idea to edit a cleartext page on the way to me ('helpfully' inserting a JS popup about upcoming metering changes), I called and canceled my decade old ~$90/mo acct on the spot when the refused to put it in writing that they would not edit my inbound data in the future. Consumer reaction is equiv to voting. See NFL. Spare me variations on the 'normies don't care' arg.

pmx 9y ago
A lot of Americans have entirely no choice in their broadband provider. Many areas have a single provider who actively prevents any other company providing access in that area. Those customers don't have the luxury of calling up and cancelling unless they're happy to go without broadband. "Vote with your wallet" only works outside of monopolies.
- lerpa 9y ago
  So maybe you found the actual problem. And forcing anyone providing network services to be common carrier just makes it less likely for competition to happen.
  - folknor 9y ago
    How do you draw that conclusion?
kelnos 9y ago
> ... I called and canceled my decade old ~$90/mo acct on the spot So... what do you do for internet access now? Oh, you have more than one legitimate option in your area? Lucky you. Many people don't.
- jakeogh 9y ago
  Tethered my ATT acct for now. Prob go with my local microwave provider here in Tucson. Why arg for 'NN' when the real beef when you get down to it is the lack of competition?
  - kevinchen 9y ago
    Lack of competition often comes from municipal governments granting local monopolies. Good luck fighting that out city by city.
    - jakeogh 9y ago
      So argue for federal NN instead? It's so odd, can you not think of some alt universe where local monopolies are preempted regarding physical internet access? You are arguing for the logical (data) FCC parallel (or you think you are, I disagree that NN means that but lets not go there). When local monopolies block data, they get sidestepped. It's not like water gas or electricity. 4G is fast. Heck I'm happy here tethered to my old 3G phone.

pmx 9y ago

A lot of Americans have entirely no choice in their broadband provider. Many areas have a single provider who actively prevents any other company providing access in that area. Those customers don't have the luxury of calling up and cancelling unless they're happy to go without broadband. "Vote with your wallet" only works outside of monopolies.

lerpa 9y ago
So maybe you found the actual problem. And forcing anyone providing network services to be common carrier just makes it less likely for competition to happen.
- folknor 9y ago
  How do you draw that conclusion?

kelnos 9y ago

> ... I called and canceled my decade old ~$90/mo acct on the spot So... what do you do for internet access now? Oh, you have more than one legitimate option in your area? Lucky you. Many people don't.

jakeogh 9y ago
Tethered my ATT acct for now. Prob go with my local microwave provider here in Tucson. Why arg for 'NN' when the real beef when you get down to it is the lack of competition?
- kevinchen 9y ago
  Lack of competition often comes from municipal governments granting local monopolies. Good luck fighting that out city by city.
  - jakeogh 9y ago
    So argue for federal NN instead? It's so odd, can you not think of some alt universe where local monopolies are preempted regarding physical internet access? You are arguing for the logical (data) FCC parallel (or you think you are, I disagree that NN means that but lets not go there). When local monopolies block data, they get sidestepped. It's not like water gas or electricity. 4G is fast. Heck I'm happy here tethered to my old 3G phone.