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I'm against gay marriage for non-religious reasons. Civil partnerships fine, have the same rights and freedoms as married couples, just call it a civil partners

• kjksf 16y ago
  From what you wrote you're against gay marriage for no reason at all. You stated a preference for how things should be, not a reason for that preference. And you seem strangely preoccupied with semantics. If marriage and civil partnership meant the same thing, what would be the point of having a distinction?
  • axod 16y ago
    I think arguing that it must be called 'marriage' is petty. Redefining that word and stretching it to encompass more things is just stupid and less useful. Sure, give them the same rights if you like, but just call it a 'civil partnership'. If it was just about the rights, then I'd expect people to be happy with that. But it seems to be more about forcing an opinion onto others, which I disagree with.
    • thingie 16y ago
      So instead of just using the word marriage for something that IS a marriage, we have to invent another term that doesn't mean anything else than marriage, but of two people who are of the same sex. Just because we have to. And that isn't petty.
      • axod 16y ago
        It may be a 'marriage' as you like to define the word, but that doesn't magically make it so. Shall we use 'marriage' to also cover the union of a man to a horse? man to a table? man to a child? They have civil rights too!
        • thingie 16y ago
          I've seen many things described as a marriage. Like special diplomatic relations between countries, business mergers, even product announcements. And I think that people can understand this. Once again, try to describe civil partnerships to somebody. What are you going to do? Say 'It's like a marriage, just don't call it so, because I don't like it' (In the same way, I'd even describe your reason as 'religious, just there are no gods and churches and other deities involved'. We are also used to call fanboy disputes between the text editors or operating systems as religious wars. And it's a very good description.)
          • axod 16y ago
            >> "(In the same way, I'd even describe your reason as 'religious, just there are no gods and churches and other deities involved'" I'd be happy calling my argument 'historical'. I don't like changing things that have served us well for centuries.
            • thingie 16y ago
              That's exclusive, not inclusive 'us', I believe. This thing isn't serving me well. In fact, it is serving me very badly (gay marriage isn't going to improve that very much, though any remedy is welcome).
  • ErrantX 16y ago
    I remember in about '06 there was a really complicated debate I mediated on the civil partnerships page. It basically boiled down to how civil partnerships were viewed; some editors were so dead set against not equating civil partnerships to marriage (in terms of them meaning essentially the same thing, just that marriage has a historical and social aspect to it). Point is; the argument really did just boil down to your summary - there was no actual argument just lots of folded arms and grumbling.
• lutorm 16y ago
  Civil partnerships do not have the same rights. The federal government does not recognize them and as a consequence gay/lesbian people are not able to sponsor their partners for permanent residency. I know some international gay couples who can't live in the US due to this.