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I likewise knew Bill. I met his parents once too, and saw his kindness and good nature reflected in them as well. This is a tragedy no one should have to bear.

I likewise knew Bill. I met his parents once too, and saw his kindness and good nature reflected in them as well. This is a tragedy no one should have to bear. We miss him.

cgmg 9y ago
Umm... did you read Bill's letter in its entirety? > I'd also like to address my family, if you can call them that. I despise everything they stand for and I truly hate them, in a non-emotional, dispassionate and what I believe is a healthy way. The world will be a better place when they're dead—one with less hatred and intolerance.
- wyclif 9y ago
  Why do you think he didn't read the letter in its entirety? Just because Zeller hated his parents doesn't mean his description of them is accurate. Don't forget, it's a suicide note. People use them to vent their grievances, real and perceived. It's very sad that he felt he had to take his own life. I wish he had reached out and gotten professional help for his depression.
  - peterburkimsher 9y ago
    Did you read the letter in its entirety? "You may wonder why I didn't just talk to a professional about this. I've seen a number of doctors since I was a teenager to talk about other issues and I'm positive that another doctor would not have helped. I was never given one piece of actionable advice, ever."
    - zero_iq 9y ago
      But that doesn't contradict your parent poster's wish in any way. Read your quote again carefully. He says he did NOT seek professional help about this. (Only about other issues, and seems he was never given good advice). He didn't seek professional advice about his central life-altering pain because he thought it would be as poor as the help he'd had for other things (by what sound like crappy doctors). He was probably wrong about that. People under enough emotional strain and pain sufficient to drive them to suicide are rarely thinking clearly when considering how to deal with that pain alone, no matter how intelligent and logical and reasonable they might otherwise be. Such a huge mental burden clouds your judgement. It's hard to think clearly about how to climb out of the swamp when you feel yourself drowning in it.
  - cgmg 9y ago
    I'm pretty sure that being kicked out of your home at 19 because you wouldn't attend church for seven hours is a legitimate grievance.
    - wyclif 9y ago
      It is if that's what happened. But you and I don't know that.
      - cgmg 9y ago
        What reason do you have to doubt his account? I'm honestly curious. To quote: He does not have a history being dramatic, emotional, manipulative. He does not have a history of having crazy outbursts and attention seeking behaviors. He is a quiet reserved isolated type, and he wasn't in any trouble at all. He wasn't a drug addict, a criminal, a thief. He wasn't a psycho borderline nutjob who randomly does random things. There is no reason to assume his suicide is motivated by any other reason than the one he is telling us, and that reason is this: he cannot cope with what happened to him as a child any longer and so he made the choice to end his life.
        nurettin 9y ago
        The reason looks like religious defensiveness.
        wyclif 9y ago
        Wait, questioning the venting and rage level of a suicide note is "religious defensiveness???" Wha....????
- averagewall 9y ago
  The example he chose to show how bad they were makes them look fairly reasonable. So perhaps his judgment was clouded. That example was that Muslims who follow the koran are terrorists. The koran does actually advise people to kill quite a lot of other people, so following it strictly would make you at least a murderer, if not a terrorist.
  - aedron 9y ago
    I'm a Muslim and you got it wrong.
  - cgmg 9y ago
    > If you're unfamiliar with the situation, my parents are fundamentalist Christians who kicked me out of their house and cut me off financially when I was 19 because I refused to attend seven hours of church a week. They seem reasonable, alright.
  - Deestan 9y ago
    So does their own bible. Glossing over this fact in order to safely hate other people is what makes them shit people.
acjohnson55 9y ago
I never met Bill's parents. But I do know that perfectly pleasant people can fail catastrophically when confronted with a deep conflict of interests. It happens all the time. When the chips are down, most people will choose whatever they think preserves the status quo with the greatest likelihood.

I likewise knew Bill. I met his parents once too, and saw his kindness and good nature reflected in them as well. This is a tragedy no one should have to bear. We miss him.

cgmg 9y ago

Umm... did you read Bill's letter in its entirety? > I'd also like to address my family, if you can call them that. I despise everything they stand for and I truly hate them, in a non-emotional, dispassionate and what I believe is a healthy way. The world will be a better place when they're dead—one with less hatred and intolerance.

wyclif 9y ago
Why do you think he didn't read the letter in its entirety? Just because Zeller hated his parents doesn't mean his description of them is accurate. Don't forget, it's a suicide note. People use them to vent their grievances, real and perceived. It's very sad that he felt he had to take his own life. I wish he had reached out and gotten professional help for his depression.
- peterburkimsher 9y ago
  Did you read the letter in its entirety? "You may wonder why I didn't just talk to a professional about this. I've seen a number of doctors since I was a teenager to talk about other issues and I'm positive that another doctor would not have helped. I was never given one piece of actionable advice, ever."
  - zero_iq 9y ago
    But that doesn't contradict your parent poster's wish in any way. Read your quote again carefully. He says he did NOT seek professional help about this. (Only about other issues, and seems he was never given good advice). He didn't seek professional advice about his central life-altering pain because he thought it would be as poor as the help he'd had for other things (by what sound like crappy doctors). He was probably wrong about that. People under enough emotional strain and pain sufficient to drive them to suicide are rarely thinking clearly when considering how to deal with that pain alone, no matter how intelligent and logical and reasonable they might otherwise be. Such a huge mental burden clouds your judgement. It's hard to think clearly about how to climb out of the swamp when you feel yourself drowning in it.
- cgmg 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure that being kicked out of your home at 19 because you wouldn't attend church for seven hours is a legitimate grievance.
  - wyclif 9y ago
    It is if that's what happened. But you and I don't know that.
    - cgmg 9y ago
      What reason do you have to doubt his account? I'm honestly curious. To quote: He does not have a history being dramatic, emotional, manipulative. He does not have a history of having crazy outbursts and attention seeking behaviors. He is a quiet reserved isolated type, and he wasn't in any trouble at all. He wasn't a drug addict, a criminal, a thief. He wasn't a psycho borderline nutjob who randomly does random things. There is no reason to assume his suicide is motivated by any other reason than the one he is telling us, and that reason is this: he cannot cope with what happened to him as a child any longer and so he made the choice to end his life.
      - nurettin 9y ago
        The reason looks like religious defensiveness.
        wyclif 9y ago
        Wait, questioning the venting and rage level of a suicide note is "religious defensiveness???" Wha....????
averagewall 9y ago
The example he chose to show how bad they were makes them look fairly reasonable. So perhaps his judgment was clouded. That example was that Muslims who follow the koran are terrorists. The koran does actually advise people to kill quite a lot of other people, so following it strictly would make you at least a murderer, if not a terrorist.
- aedron 9y ago
  I'm a Muslim and you got it wrong.
- cgmg 9y ago
  > If you're unfamiliar with the situation, my parents are fundamentalist Christians who kicked me out of their house and cut me off financially when I was 19 because I refused to attend seven hours of church a week. They seem reasonable, alright.
- Deestan 9y ago
  So does their own bible. Glossing over this fact in order to safely hate other people is what makes them shit people.

acjohnson55 9y ago

I never met Bill's parents. But I do know that perfectly pleasant people can fail catastrophically when confronted with a deep conflict of interests. It happens all the time. When the chips are down, most people will choose whatever they think preserves the status quo with the greatest likelihood.