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Buy an iPhone. ;-)

scarface74 9y ago
This. I pay Apple money and they give me stuff. A very simple transaction. I don't get spammed constantly, I don't have third party crapware on my phones or computers and I don't have stickers all over my stuff that makes my electronics look like a NASCAR car.
- michaelmior 9y ago
  It's funny that you say this because and anecdotally, it seems like Macbook users are the most likely to plaster their machines with stickers. Totally unscientific and possibly incorrect observation though.
- frik 9y ago
  I thought so too, and in case of Apple I still too. But I got bitterly disappointed by Microsoft, I pay them for Windows and Office, a very simple transaction, right? Guess what, Windows 10 not only displays ads in the startmenu and taskbar. Also it automatically installs Pay2Win gambling games littered with loot crates to the startmenu. Also it tries to upgrade itself whenever it wants (in the middle of gaming, during boot, during shutting down) and not just updates but re-installs a new copy of the whole OS in-place, loosing all customization settings. Also it collects all my keyboard inputs, all my microphone audio and webcam video, my usage patterns, my directory structure, my crashed application incl all related files, the running application list, and sends them encrypted to various cloud servers own by them or third parties (who can tell?). I thought it is a very simple transaction, but I figured out when a company gets greedy and evil, you cannot trust such a company any more. It's better part ways and to revert back to an older version (Win 7) and prepare to move to a competitor.
  - iaml 9y ago
    >I pay them for Windows and Office, a very simple transaction, right? No, it's not, and hasn't been for a while. Office added a subscription model a few years back (obviously it's the one they are pushing), and after that stunt that MS pulled with 10 launch you might as well consider it a targeted ad platform.
    - frik 9y ago
      Let's speak about Windows 10 and Office 2016, I have bought them, a very simple transaction. Everything I mentioned still holds. I regreted doing so. I am in the club who reverted back to good ol Win7 and Office 2010.
- zaarn 9y ago
  Yes but I also have to necessarily buy into the Apple ecosystem and pay a lot of money compared to Android, which I can just root and remove all this crap more easily than on Apple devices. I also don't really trust Apple to keep my data secure, I'm sure they have plenty of security measures, but I feel safer putting my data on my own servers via Nextcloud and stuff.
  - muninn_ 9y ago
    Depends on your perspective. The reason these other products are “cheap” is because you’re making up for the dollar cost with your psychological well-being and being advertised to by the world’s best psychologists and cognitive scientists. So an iPhone or whatever may be “expensive” but I’d submit it’s actually cheaper when you take other factors into account. And you can trust Apple with your data at least as much as any other provider if not more since they have a financial motivation to protect your privacy (it’s a feature). Now I think rooting your device and hosting your own servers are a good solution - but most people, even engineers such as myself - may not want to spend time doing that or deal with security concerns from rooting your device.
    - zaarn 9y ago
      >So an iPhone or whatever may be “expensive” but I’d submit it’s actually cheaper when you take other factors into account. I keep track of my expenses and so far I have paid less for the 3 Smartphones I owned than I would have paid to own any 3 iPhones with comparable age at time of the buy. >And you can trust Apple with your data at least as much as any other provider if not more since they have a financial motivation to protect your privacy (it’s a feature). I trust OVH more than Apple since I pay for a dedicated server every month instead of paying Apple once. >Now I think rooting your device and hosting your own servers are a good solution - but most people, even engineers such as myself - may not want to spend time doing that or deal with security concerns from rooting your device. Which is why I stated that this is why I don't trust Apple.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    I also don't really trust Apple to keep my data secure, I'm sure they have plenty of security measures, but I feel safer putting my data on my own servers via Nextcloud and stuff. So why do you think that your servers using third party software is more secure than Apple's? Have you personally audited every line of code in NextClouds software or every line of code in Android for security vulnerabilities?
akerl_ 9y ago
I got the same notification from Google Photos on my iPhone.
- deleted 9y ago
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- teekert 9y ago
  "As I understand it, this is a pre-installed app. I do not want my pre-installed apps sending me advertising notifications."
Sidnicious 9y ago
The App Store has ads now. Not quite as bad as push notifications, but it makes me uncomfortable considering it’s the only supported way to install software.
lern_too_spel 9y ago
MacOS advertises Safari in a notification when I start Firefox. Same thing. https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-turn-off-the-try-the-new-safari-notification https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-...

Buy an iPhone. ;-)

This. I pay Apple money and they give me stuff. A very simple transaction. I don't get spammed constantly, I don't have third party crapware on my phones or computers and I don't have stickers all over my stuff that makes my electronics look like a NASCAR car.

michaelmior 9y ago
It's funny that you say this because and anecdotally, it seems like Macbook users are the most likely to plaster their machines with stickers. Totally unscientific and possibly incorrect observation though.
frik 9y ago
I thought so too, and in case of Apple I still too. But I got bitterly disappointed by Microsoft, I pay them for Windows and Office, a very simple transaction, right? Guess what, Windows 10 not only displays ads in the startmenu and taskbar. Also it automatically installs Pay2Win gambling games littered with loot crates to the startmenu. Also it tries to upgrade itself whenever it wants (in the middle of gaming, during boot, during shutting down) and not just updates but re-installs a new copy of the whole OS in-place, loosing all customization settings. Also it collects all my keyboard inputs, all my microphone audio and webcam video, my usage patterns, my directory structure, my crashed application incl all related files, the running application list, and sends them encrypted to various cloud servers own by them or third parties (who can tell?). I thought it is a very simple transaction, but I figured out when a company gets greedy and evil, you cannot trust such a company any more. It's better part ways and to revert back to an older version (Win 7) and prepare to move to a competitor.
- iaml 9y ago
  >I pay them for Windows and Office, a very simple transaction, right? No, it's not, and hasn't been for a while. Office added a subscription model a few years back (obviously it's the one they are pushing), and after that stunt that MS pulled with 10 launch you might as well consider it a targeted ad platform.
  - frik 9y ago
    Let's speak about Windows 10 and Office 2016, I have bought them, a very simple transaction. Everything I mentioned still holds. I regreted doing so. I am in the club who reverted back to good ol Win7 and Office 2010.
zaarn 9y ago
Yes but I also have to necessarily buy into the Apple ecosystem and pay a lot of money compared to Android, which I can just root and remove all this crap more easily than on Apple devices. I also don't really trust Apple to keep my data secure, I'm sure they have plenty of security measures, but I feel safer putting my data on my own servers via Nextcloud and stuff.
- muninn_ 9y ago
  Depends on your perspective. The reason these other products are “cheap” is because you’re making up for the dollar cost with your psychological well-being and being advertised to by the world’s best psychologists and cognitive scientists. So an iPhone or whatever may be “expensive” but I’d submit it’s actually cheaper when you take other factors into account. And you can trust Apple with your data at least as much as any other provider if not more since they have a financial motivation to protect your privacy (it’s a feature). Now I think rooting your device and hosting your own servers are a good solution - but most people, even engineers such as myself - may not want to spend time doing that or deal with security concerns from rooting your device.
  - zaarn 9y ago
    >So an iPhone or whatever may be “expensive” but I’d submit it’s actually cheaper when you take other factors into account. I keep track of my expenses and so far I have paid less for the 3 Smartphones I owned than I would have paid to own any 3 iPhones with comparable age at time of the buy. >And you can trust Apple with your data at least as much as any other provider if not more since they have a financial motivation to protect your privacy (it’s a feature). I trust OVH more than Apple since I pay for a dedicated server every month instead of paying Apple once. >Now I think rooting your device and hosting your own servers are a good solution - but most people, even engineers such as myself - may not want to spend time doing that or deal with security concerns from rooting your device. Which is why I stated that this is why I don't trust Apple.
- scarface74 9y ago
  I also don't really trust Apple to keep my data secure, I'm sure they have plenty of security measures, but I feel safer putting my data on my own servers via Nextcloud and stuff. So why do you think that your servers using third party software is more secure than Apple's? Have you personally audited every line of code in NextClouds software or every line of code in Android for security vulnerabilities?

akerl_ 9y ago

I got the same notification from Google Photos on my iPhone.

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teekert 9y ago
"As I understand it, this is a pre-installed app. I do not want my pre-installed apps sending me advertising notifications."

Sidnicious 9y ago

The App Store has ads now. Not quite as bad as push notifications, but it makes me uncomfortable considering it’s the only supported way to install software.

lern_too_spel 9y ago

MacOS advertises Safari in a notification when I start Firefox. Same thing. https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-turn-off-the-try-the-new-safari-notification https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/153379/how-do-you-...