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Oh ok, so just anti-immigration? Not anti-immigration and working class? Your anecdotal evidence is not very useful in a reasonable discussion, and it might be

Oh ok, so just anti-immigration? Not anti-immigration and working class? Your anecdotal evidence is not very useful in a reasonable discussion, and it might be more interesting to have a data based discussion (if you have some data).

beaconstudios 9y ago
You seem intent on painting a picture more than reading what I actually wrote: >Through discussing the vote with the other leavers I know, not once was immigration mentioned as a concern You seem to be a bit obsessed with backing everything with data. Do you want me to make a survey for the people I've spoken to? I'm not trying to say "immigration is not the issue and I have proof!", I'm saying that immigration isn't the issue for everyone, and that there are people in the main HN - reading demographic (and more than just me and the 5 I know, although I'm sure you're going to ask for a citation) that A. Don't match the image in your head and B. Didn't vote the way they did as some kind of attempt to lock out immigrants. Your suggestion that discussions can only be had by providing data is just not true. If I were trying to assert a claim large enough to need a sample size then sure, but I'm not.
- comstock 9y ago
  Your claim here seems to be that there are >1 people who voted for Brexit for reasons other than immigration. That is reasonably obvious, and not useful basis for a discussion on Brexit. If you want to gain a better understanding of why people in general voted for Brexit, data would be valuable. Everything else is anicdotal, and not very useful.
  - beaconstudios 9y ago
    I guess that depends on whether your primary concern is getting a handle on the majority vote and the demographic involved, where poorer people voted for a mix of reducing immigration and returning legal sovereignty to British courts, or surfacing the opinions of those who voted leave despite those not being primary concerns and who are in the same income demographic as HN readers who seem to believe that people in their class don't vote Brexit. If you're not interested in the latter then I don't have anything to show you.
    - comstock 9y ago
      In order to support the second point, more data would be required. Essentially all you’ve provided is anecdotal evidence, which isn’t very convincing. How would you support the claim that people in the “HN demographic” voted in significant numbers for leave?

beaconstudios 9y ago

You seem intent on painting a picture more than reading what I actually wrote: >Through discussing the vote with the other leavers I know, not once was immigration mentioned as a concern You seem to be a bit obsessed with backing everything with data. Do you want me to make a survey for the people I've spoken to? I'm not trying to say "immigration is not the issue and I have proof!", I'm saying that immigration isn't the issue for everyone, and that there are people in the main HN - reading demographic (and more than just me and the 5 I know, although I'm sure you're going to ask for a citation) that A. Don't match the image in your head and B. Didn't vote the way they did as some kind of attempt to lock out immigrants. Your suggestion that discussions can only be had by providing data is just not true. If I were trying to assert a claim large enough to need a sample size then sure, but I'm not.

comstock 9y ago
Your claim here seems to be that there are >1 people who voted for Brexit for reasons other than immigration. That is reasonably obvious, and not useful basis for a discussion on Brexit. If you want to gain a better understanding of why people in general voted for Brexit, data would be valuable. Everything else is anicdotal, and not very useful.
- beaconstudios 9y ago
  I guess that depends on whether your primary concern is getting a handle on the majority vote and the demographic involved, where poorer people voted for a mix of reducing immigration and returning legal sovereignty to British courts, or surfacing the opinions of those who voted leave despite those not being primary concerns and who are in the same income demographic as HN readers who seem to believe that people in their class don't vote Brexit. If you're not interested in the latter then I don't have anything to show you.
  - comstock 9y ago
    In order to support the second point, more data would be required. Essentially all you’ve provided is anecdotal evidence, which isn’t very convincing. How would you support the claim that people in the “HN demographic” voted in significant numbers for leave?