4 ms·

The numbers I saw, regarding how areas are best positioned to cope with impact of Brexit, suggested that Leave-voting areas would be impacted far worse than Rem

The numbers I saw, regarding how areas are best positioned to cope with impact of Brexit, suggested that Leave-voting areas would be impacted far worse than Remain-voting areas.

neilwilson 9y ago
Then we just use the enhanced powers of the parliament to shuffle things around. That's sort of the point. The uk has rejected market distribution as a fair mechanism
- lhopki01 9y ago
  If the enhanced powers of parliament weren't used before to shuffle things around they won't be used after. There were no powers to shuffle things around that parliament didn't already have.
  - neilwilson 9y ago
    After brexit parliamentary decisions are absolute. Before Brexit entities can use the courts and EU law to overturn acts of parliament. So as a simple matter of logic there are things you can do after Brexit you couldn't do before - because parliamentary supremacy has been restored.
    - lhopki01 9y ago
      No that is a fundamental misunderstanding of British law and Parliamentary tradition. Entities could not use courts and EU law to overturn acts of parliaments. The most they could do is tell parliament that they are in breach of EU law and so must decide what to do but it is impossible for a court to overturn an act of parliament. The UK parliament is and always has been completely sovereign. Even UK courts can't overturn an act of parliament. The UK isn't like the US where we have a written constitution where all laws need to conform to it. The times that the EU could affect UK law was when parliament had specifically legislated for the EU to have those powers. Even in those cases though it was an act of parliament that gave those powers. The closest argument you could make is that if the UK still didn't want to follow EU law when it was in breach then it'd have to make a decision of paying fines (because it'd legislated to give the EU to right to fine it) or leave the EU.
standupstandup 9y ago
More or less any numbers you see about the predicted economic impact of Brexit come from exactly the same sets of economists who have been proven 100% wrong so far about everything, so have no credibility. They predicted a massive recession in the wake of simply voting to leave, not actually leaving, which never materialised. Then there were claims it would be triggered by the formal notification of leaving - that didn't happen either. They also liked to claim that immigration had no impact on wages, but there have been quite a few stories since about industry leaders complaining about having to increase wages (suspect in and of themselves because immigration hasn't really fallen). There simply aren't any economic projections of a trustworthy nature right now.
- peterclary 9y ago
  Are you arguing there has been no impact at all? My understanding is that there has been a significant increase in prices since the Brexit vote, generally ascribed to the falling pound (both actual and anticipated). This is obvious in electrical goods but is also affecting the weekly shopping basket, which in turn is impacting people on low pay, or whose pay hasn’t been rising in line with inflation since the banking crash. That said, not all price hikes are attributable to Brexit. The significant hike in butter prices is apparently more due to a supply shortage across Europe.
herewardwakes 9y ago
Impact worse how? Funny how leftists who claim to be less materialistic and greedy than conservatives can only think in terms of money.

The numbers I saw, regarding how areas are best positioned to cope with impact of Brexit, suggested that Leave-voting areas would be impacted far worse than Remain-voting areas.

neilwilson 9y ago

Then we just use the enhanced powers of the parliament to shuffle things around. That's sort of the point. The uk has rejected market distribution as a fair mechanism

lhopki01 9y ago
If the enhanced powers of parliament weren't used before to shuffle things around they won't be used after. There were no powers to shuffle things around that parliament didn't already have.
- neilwilson 9y ago
  After brexit parliamentary decisions are absolute. Before Brexit entities can use the courts and EU law to overturn acts of parliament. So as a simple matter of logic there are things you can do after Brexit you couldn't do before - because parliamentary supremacy has been restored.
  - lhopki01 9y ago
    No that is a fundamental misunderstanding of British law and Parliamentary tradition. Entities could not use courts and EU law to overturn acts of parliaments. The most they could do is tell parliament that they are in breach of EU law and so must decide what to do but it is impossible for a court to overturn an act of parliament. The UK parliament is and always has been completely sovereign. Even UK courts can't overturn an act of parliament. The UK isn't like the US where we have a written constitution where all laws need to conform to it. The times that the EU could affect UK law was when parliament had specifically legislated for the EU to have those powers. Even in those cases though it was an act of parliament that gave those powers. The closest argument you could make is that if the UK still didn't want to follow EU law when it was in breach then it'd have to make a decision of paying fines (because it'd legislated to give the EU to right to fine it) or leave the EU.

standupstandup 9y ago

More or less any numbers you see about the predicted economic impact of Brexit come from exactly the same sets of economists who have been proven 100% wrong so far about everything, so have no credibility. They predicted a massive recession in the wake of simply voting to leave, not actually leaving, which never materialised. Then there were claims it would be triggered by the formal notification of leaving - that didn't happen either. They also liked to claim that immigration had no impact on wages, but there have been quite a few stories since about industry leaders complaining about having to increase wages (suspect in and of themselves because immigration hasn't really fallen). There simply aren't any economic projections of a trustworthy nature right now.

peterclary 9y ago
Are you arguing there has been no impact at all? My understanding is that there has been a significant increase in prices since the Brexit vote, generally ascribed to the falling pound (both actual and anticipated). This is obvious in electrical goods but is also affecting the weekly shopping basket, which in turn is impacting people on low pay, or whose pay hasn’t been rising in line with inflation since the banking crash. That said, not all price hikes are attributable to Brexit. The significant hike in butter prices is apparently more due to a supply shortage across Europe.

herewardwakes 9y ago

Impact worse how? Funny how leftists who claim to be less materialistic and greedy than conservatives can only think in terms of money.