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I believe that there are a lot of fake comments(possibly threads) appearing on Hacker News. I'm sure on Reddit and everywhere on the Internet that influences p

I believe that there are a lot of fake comments(possibly threads) appearing on Hacker News. I'm sure on Reddit and everywhere on the Internet that influences peoples' oomph to stand up for something like Net Neutrality. I mean why in the world in 2017 are we so apathetic about something so important? We were up in arms about in 2013 and stopped SOPA then!!!

paul7986 9y ago
We need some type of identifying online tool like that blockchain ID tool to proliferate. It would ensure who you say you are on the Internet. YOu could still comment anonymously, but what you say anonymously wouldn't hold as much weight vs. when you use your real verified identity!
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null000 9y ago
Apathetic? Have you seen Reddit today or yesterday? The top post in 90% of subreddits are pro-net-neutrality posts, even where it makes no sense. I can't think of a time when that much of a stink was made, including SOPA. The reason it's not working this time around is because you have an FCC chair whose not really interested in what the public thinks - you're not his constituents, and you're not the constituents of the people who put him in power. Note that the constituents of Republicans are honestly mostly wealthy donors by this point - I doubt they care too much what their voters think beyond ensuring that they don't screw them over directly (e.g. via increased taxes or decreased entitlements)
- paul7986 9y ago
  Well there was a ton more action happening on Hacker News in 2013 then present day. Glad to hear Reddit isnt being passive!
- maccard 9y ago
  I’ve seen reddit, but ultimately that means nothing. Posting a comment on a forum (even reddit or hn) is in itself meaningless. It’s oretty much the definitio or apathetic.
  - paul7986 9y ago
    How so when there’s a hired army of people or bots to create fake comments that are pro Net Neutrality. There’s so many such comments.. threads even that all real members of a community see the flood of pro Neutrality comments and become apathetic. They think the flood of comments are what the majority of members feel leaving them to think a) It must not be that bad & then b) do not speak up against a majority. This effectively drowns out the opposition. Proponents of Net Neutrality already flooded the FCC with fake comments as the guy above noted they stole his identity. What makes you think they don’t have an army of an army fake social media commenters to shape the conversation in their favor? Especially on influential tech sites like this!
cokeandsympathy 9y ago
While there's a good amount of outrage in some online niches, I don't think Net Neutrality has been on the radar of the general public. A lot of friends and family I've spoken to over the past few weeks don't understand the power that repealing net neutrality will give to ISPs. Also, I think people are so emotionally worn out by the mass distraction machine that is the Trump presidency, the over-saturation of outrage in the media, and the fact that so many democratic and political institutions are under attack that people either can't keep track of each one, feel hopeless, or have just tuned it all out for their own sanity.
cryoshon 9y ago
>why in the world in 2017 are we so apathetic about something so important? it is not that people do not care; it is that they do not understand how to use force to achieve their goals. they do not understand how to contest the government's exclusive claim to rights like management of the internet, etc. or they must show up for work and don't have the time to make physical appearances in places that create inconvenience-- fundamentally refusing to accept that their duty as citizens to contest government overreach is more important than their own personal life running smoothly.
xmichael99 9y ago
Like my father always used to say - being apathetic on any important issue makes you; a pathetic! (:
hysan 9y ago
I'm not sure if you're claiming that my comment is fake, but I can assure you it's not. I'm also not apathetic as I've done everything possible including reminding everyone I know (yet again) to follow my steps in trying to stop this. If I do come off as apathetic, it's probably because I'm just worn down mentally and emotionally from the days/weeks I've spent investigating my situation only for it to lead to this. You say we should be up in arms, but realistically, what can we do? I'm pretty sure I've literally done everything I can do given my personal and financial situation. I've read through all the comments and while potentially helpful for my situation, none actually address what can be done for Net Neutrality. So I'm just going to repeat, what can I/we even do anymore?
- paul7986 9y ago
  No not your comment. Other pro Net Neutrality comments and threads here.

paul7986 9y ago

We need some type of identifying online tool like that blockchain ID tool to proliferate. It would ensure who you say you are on the Internet. YOu could still comment anonymously, but what you say anonymously wouldn't hold as much weight vs. when you use your real verified identity!

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null000 9y ago

Apathetic? Have you seen Reddit today or yesterday? The top post in 90% of subreddits are pro-net-neutrality posts, even where it makes no sense. I can't think of a time when that much of a stink was made, including SOPA. The reason it's not working this time around is because you have an FCC chair whose not really interested in what the public thinks - you're not his constituents, and you're not the constituents of the people who put him in power. Note that the constituents of Republicans are honestly mostly wealthy donors by this point - I doubt they care too much what their voters think beyond ensuring that they don't screw them over directly (e.g. via increased taxes or decreased entitlements)

paul7986 9y ago
Well there was a ton more action happening on Hacker News in 2013 then present day. Glad to hear Reddit isnt being passive!
maccard 9y ago
I’ve seen reddit, but ultimately that means nothing. Posting a comment on a forum (even reddit or hn) is in itself meaningless. It’s oretty much the definitio or apathetic.
- paul7986 9y ago
  How so when there’s a hired army of people or bots to create fake comments that are pro Net Neutrality. There’s so many such comments.. threads even that all real members of a community see the flood of pro Neutrality comments and become apathetic. They think the flood of comments are what the majority of members feel leaving them to think a) It must not be that bad & then b) do not speak up against a majority. This effectively drowns out the opposition. Proponents of Net Neutrality already flooded the FCC with fake comments as the guy above noted they stole his identity. What makes you think they don’t have an army of an army fake social media commenters to shape the conversation in their favor? Especially on influential tech sites like this!

cokeandsympathy 9y ago

While there's a good amount of outrage in some online niches, I don't think Net Neutrality has been on the radar of the general public. A lot of friends and family I've spoken to over the past few weeks don't understand the power that repealing net neutrality will give to ISPs. Also, I think people are so emotionally worn out by the mass distraction machine that is the Trump presidency, the over-saturation of outrage in the media, and the fact that so many democratic and political institutions are under attack that people either can't keep track of each one, feel hopeless, or have just tuned it all out for their own sanity.

cryoshon 9y ago

>why in the world in 2017 are we so apathetic about something so important? it is not that people do not care; it is that they do not understand how to use force to achieve their goals. they do not understand how to contest the government's exclusive claim to rights like management of the internet, etc. or they must show up for work and don't have the time to make physical appearances in places that create inconvenience-- fundamentally refusing to accept that their duty as citizens to contest government overreach is more important than their own personal life running smoothly.

xmichael99 9y ago

Like my father always used to say - being apathetic on any important issue makes you; a pathetic! (:

hysan 9y ago

I'm not sure if you're claiming that my comment is fake, but I can assure you it's not. I'm also not apathetic as I've done everything possible including reminding everyone I know (yet again) to follow my steps in trying to stop this. If I do come off as apathetic, it's probably because I'm just worn down mentally and emotionally from the days/weeks I've spent investigating my situation only for it to lead to this. You say we should be up in arms, but realistically, what can we do? I'm pretty sure I've literally done everything I can do given my personal and financial situation. I've read through all the comments and while potentially helpful for my situation, none actually address what can be done for Net Neutrality. So I'm just going to repeat, what can I/we even do anymore?

paul7986 9y ago
No not your comment. Other pro Net Neutrality comments and threads here.