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I'd love to see IPFS take off https://ipfs.io https://ipfs.io

by woudsma 9y ago

2close4comfort 9y ago
This is too excellent for me to have missed! Thanks
gcb0 9y ago
this is absolutely not what you think it is.
- acobster 9y ago
  Elaborate please.
  - gcb0 9y ago
    solution to the problem is a physical efficient mesh network. this is a file sharing p2p based on artificial incentives that is extremely inefficient and runs on top of an assumed network. it is actually akin to removing net neutrality from internet caches! "want you content cached, pay with this cryptocoin"
evv 9y ago
I’m a big fan of IPFS, but I’m disappointed to see it mentioned in this thread. It only serves to distract from the issue of net neutrality. As great as IPFS is, it won’t help if the price for general-purpose internet skyrockets. Access to YouTube, Amazon, Facebook and Twitter will continue to have competitive prices, but the rates for out-of-band networking like IPFS and VPNs may skyrocket without the average consumer even noticing.
- acobster 9y ago
  I agree we need to be fighting on the NN front still, but what do you mean by "out-of-band" in reference to IPFS? I take out-of-band in this context to refer to host names, essentially, but isn't IPFS (or any other content-addressed protocol) designed to not need names to begin with?
  - evv 9y ago
    By out-of-band in this case, I mean out of the mainstream consumption of the internet (web browsers, https, ssl certs). ISPs could block everything other than this, and most internet users wouldn’t notice or care. I think tools like IPFS will always need something like host names. Content-addressability helps you access the data once you have the address, but how can you know the latest ID of the thing you are looking for? In the IPFS world, you’d use IPNS (interplanetary name service) for this, but I’m not sure how it actually works in a distributed fashion.
jesseb 9y ago
While I am a fan of the project, what's stopping your ISP from disabling or crippling all IPFS/P2P traffic?
- aerotwelve 9y ago
  Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only solution to this is to organize and fight for NN in legislation at this point. All of these alternative internet systems are a complete waste of time until someone tells me how they're going to get around traffic shaping at the backbone level. There's not going to be a continent-wide wireless mesh network either. I know regulations can be anathema to many HN readers, but if there was ever a justification for one, it's the 2015 Open Internet Order.
- deleted 9y ago
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I'd love to see IPFS take off https://ipfs.io https://ipfs.io

2close4comfort 9y ago

This is too excellent for me to have missed! Thanks

gcb0 9y ago

this is absolutely not what you think it is.

acobster 9y ago
Elaborate please.
- gcb0 9y ago
  solution to the problem is a physical efficient mesh network. this is a file sharing p2p based on artificial incentives that is extremely inefficient and runs on top of an assumed network. it is actually akin to removing net neutrality from internet caches! "want you content cached, pay with this cryptocoin"

evv 9y ago

I’m a big fan of IPFS, but I’m disappointed to see it mentioned in this thread. It only serves to distract from the issue of net neutrality. As great as IPFS is, it won’t help if the price for general-purpose internet skyrockets. Access to YouTube, Amazon, Facebook and Twitter will continue to have competitive prices, but the rates for out-of-band networking like IPFS and VPNs may skyrocket without the average consumer even noticing.

acobster 9y ago
I agree we need to be fighting on the NN front still, but what do you mean by "out-of-band" in reference to IPFS? I take out-of-band in this context to refer to host names, essentially, but isn't IPFS (or any other content-addressed protocol) designed to not need names to begin with?
- evv 9y ago
  By out-of-band in this case, I mean out of the mainstream consumption of the internet (web browsers, https, ssl certs). ISPs could block everything other than this, and most internet users wouldn’t notice or care. I think tools like IPFS will always need something like host names. Content-addressability helps you access the data once you have the address, but how can you know the latest ID of the thing you are looking for? In the IPFS world, you’d use IPNS (interplanetary name service) for this, but I’m not sure how it actually works in a distributed fashion.

jesseb 9y ago

While I am a fan of the project, what's stopping your ISP from disabling or crippling all IPFS/P2P traffic?

aerotwelve 9y ago
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only solution to this is to organize and fight for NN in legislation at this point. All of these alternative internet systems are a complete waste of time until someone tells me how they're going to get around traffic shaping at the backbone level. There's not going to be a continent-wide wireless mesh network either. I know regulations can be anathema to many HN readers, but if there was ever a justification for one, it's the 2015 Open Internet Order.
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