> java code is often more verbose and ugly, it holds fewer surprises Last I checked, things like AoP, reflection, Spring/Hibernate contexts, and other magic me

> java code is often more verbose and ugly, it holds fewer surprises Last I checked, things like AoP, reflection, Spring/Hibernate contexts, and other magic metaprogramming and annotation shenanigans were commonplace. At least with macros, you can usually just expand them and read what your code is doing.