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"Does this user have a racial slur in their username?" would knock out like a really good chunk of the problem, tbh. Or like "Is the user saying they are a nazi

"Does this user have a racial slur in their username?" would knock out like a really good chunk of the problem, tbh. Or like "Is the user saying they are a nazi" would cover a lot too. Pretty basic stuff would go a long way.

daxorid 9y ago
> "Is the user saying they are a nazi" This would only be a fair standard if also applied to Communists. In terms of sheer historical body count, there is no rival. And then, if you did draw ideological lines in the sand, who sets that line? Whom does it emcompass? Does it apply to religions? Do we exclude Christians and Muslims? Do we exclude anybody who ever said anything nice about Genghis Khan or the Achaemenid Immortals? Establishing standards of tolerance is one thing, but defining where the lines are can be difficult, and possibly embroil anyone.
- croon 9y ago
  > This would only be a fair standard if also applied to Communists. In terms of sheer historical body count, there is no rival. Depending on how I was born, nazis want to get rid of me. Who exactly are these "communists" wanting to get rid of? And how can I spot those people? A lot of people has died in the name of Christianity. Would you call Christianity violent in terms of ideals? I don't disagree that communist regimes have killed innumerable people, and even if I disagree with communism and think it's a terrible idea, there is literally nothing in the tenets against groups of people or violence.
  - daxorid 9y ago
    Advance apologies for getting a little off-topic, but compelled to reply in this case. I'm...not even sure how to respond to this historical misunderstanding, other than Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_... > there is literally nothing in the tenets against groups of people or violence Depending on the particular regime and which groups they designate as the bourgeoisie: Scientists, Farmers, Journalists, Factory Managers, Christians, Jews, Petty Criminals, Tartars, Kurds, Ukrainians, Germans, Poles, Estonians, Kulaks, Teachers(who taught the wrong thing), Capitalists, etc. The wonderful thing about Communism is that if the Eye of Sauron falls upon your arbitrary group and designated as bourgeoisie, you will be (enslaved|tortured|killed). At least with national socialism you have a chance to get out.
    - curtisblaine 9y ago
      I, for one, am a bourgeois and happy to be. I'd be in deep shit if any communist or socialist inspired group hypothetically took power in my country.
    - croon 9y ago
      > I'm...not even sure how to respond to this historical misunderstanding, other than Wikipedia: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_.... So you didn't actually even read my post. This is what I wrote: > I don't disagree that communist regimes have killed innumerable people And then you continue: > Depending on the particular regime and which groups they designate as the bourgeoisie: Scientists, Farmers, Journalists, Factory Managers, Christians, Jews, Petty Criminals, Tartars, Kurds, Ukrainians, Germans, Poles, Estonians, Kulaks, Teachers(who taught the wrong thing), Capitalists, etc. This was exactly my point. > At least with national socialism you have a chance to get out. Not if you're born the wrong way. And I'm curious as to why you didn't comment on Christianity, and how you view killing in the name of Christ/God. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence#War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence#War Is Christianity then the same as Communism in terms of violence?
      - curtisblaine 9y ago
        Wait: the one who wants to silence speech is you. We are just saying that, if you want to silence people in the name of past mass killings, you have to silence a lot of people. Nazis, communist / socialists, probably even Christians and Muslims, yes. Wouldn't be better to just not try to silence anyone? :)
        croon 9y ago
        > Wait: the one who wants to silence speech is you. > We are just saying that, if you want to silence people in the name of past mass killings, you have to silence a lot of people. Nazis, communist / socialists, probably even Christians and Muslims, yes. > Wouldn't be better to just not try to silence anyone? :) No, I'm saying that inherently violent ideologies are different from non-violent ideologies that have been used for violent ends.
  - creaghpatr 9y ago
    >Who exactly are these "communists" wanting to get rid of? It's this kind of ignorance that will drive Twitter into irrelevance, once they eliminate all opposing points of view. It will exist as a community but not as a source of information.
hanbura 9y ago
Those people wouldn't vanish from Twitter, they would just choose a slightly more subtle username.
- curtisblaine 9y ago
  Correct. They would use more cryptic slurs which would be used in context and would be not easily differentiable from common words. You can't just silence hate speech with censorship. More generally, you can't silence ideas. If you try, you normally end up in a worse situation.

daxorid 9y ago

> "Is the user saying they are a nazi" This would only be a fair standard if also applied to Communists. In terms of sheer historical body count, there is no rival. And then, if you did draw ideological lines in the sand, who sets that line? Whom does it emcompass? Does it apply to religions? Do we exclude Christians and Muslims? Do we exclude anybody who ever said anything nice about Genghis Khan or the Achaemenid Immortals? Establishing standards of tolerance is one thing, but defining where the lines are can be difficult, and possibly embroil anyone.

croon 9y ago
> This would only be a fair standard if also applied to Communists. In terms of sheer historical body count, there is no rival. Depending on how I was born, nazis want to get rid of me. Who exactly are these "communists" wanting to get rid of? And how can I spot those people? A lot of people has died in the name of Christianity. Would you call Christianity violent in terms of ideals? I don't disagree that communist regimes have killed innumerable people, and even if I disagree with communism and think it's a terrible idea, there is literally nothing in the tenets against groups of people or violence.
- daxorid 9y ago
  Advance apologies for getting a little off-topic, but compelled to reply in this case. I'm...not even sure how to respond to this historical misunderstanding, other than Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_... > there is literally nothing in the tenets against groups of people or violence Depending on the particular regime and which groups they designate as the bourgeoisie: Scientists, Farmers, Journalists, Factory Managers, Christians, Jews, Petty Criminals, Tartars, Kurds, Ukrainians, Germans, Poles, Estonians, Kulaks, Teachers(who taught the wrong thing), Capitalists, etc. The wonderful thing about Communism is that if the Eye of Sauron falls upon your arbitrary group and designated as bourgeoisie, you will be (enslaved|tortured|killed). At least with national socialism you have a chance to get out.
  - curtisblaine 9y ago
    I, for one, am a bourgeois and happy to be. I'd be in deep shit if any communist or socialist inspired group hypothetically took power in my country.
  - croon 9y ago
    > I'm...not even sure how to respond to this historical misunderstanding, other than Wikipedia: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_.... So you didn't actually even read my post. This is what I wrote: > I don't disagree that communist regimes have killed innumerable people And then you continue: > Depending on the particular regime and which groups they designate as the bourgeoisie: Scientists, Farmers, Journalists, Factory Managers, Christians, Jews, Petty Criminals, Tartars, Kurds, Ukrainians, Germans, Poles, Estonians, Kulaks, Teachers(who taught the wrong thing), Capitalists, etc. This was exactly my point. > At least with national socialism you have a chance to get out. Not if you're born the wrong way. And I'm curious as to why you didn't comment on Christianity, and how you view killing in the name of Christ/God. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence#War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence#War Is Christianity then the same as Communism in terms of violence?
    - curtisblaine 9y ago
      Wait: the one who wants to silence speech is you. We are just saying that, if you want to silence people in the name of past mass killings, you have to silence a lot of people. Nazis, communist / socialists, probably even Christians and Muslims, yes. Wouldn't be better to just not try to silence anyone? :)
      - croon 9y ago
        > Wait: the one who wants to silence speech is you. > We are just saying that, if you want to silence people in the name of past mass killings, you have to silence a lot of people. Nazis, communist / socialists, probably even Christians and Muslims, yes. > Wouldn't be better to just not try to silence anyone? :) No, I'm saying that inherently violent ideologies are different from non-violent ideologies that have been used for violent ends.
- creaghpatr 9y ago
  >Who exactly are these "communists" wanting to get rid of? It's this kind of ignorance that will drive Twitter into irrelevance, once they eliminate all opposing points of view. It will exist as a community but not as a source of information.

hanbura 9y ago

Those people wouldn't vanish from Twitter, they would just choose a slightly more subtle username.

curtisblaine 9y ago
Correct. They would use more cryptic slurs which would be used in context and would be not easily differentiable from common words. You can't just silence hate speech with censorship. More generally, you can't silence ideas. If you try, you normally end up in a worse situation.