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Are you actually implying that my making a joke is evidence of some deep dark secret about my sexuality?

DonHopkins 9y ago
Since you ask: it's not just me, it's science (also journalism documenting many recent and historic events) that says many homophobes are secretly gay, and it's also a popular and widely known trope and basis of many memes, which you should take into account next time you feel the irresistible urge make a homophobic joke without intending for people to assume you're a closeted gay. Rule of thumb: If you're really not gay, and don't want people to think you're gay, then simply stop making homophobic jokes! Your "joke" was essentially transphobic and homophobic at its core, and not even funny because it doesn't even make any sense, even if you accept all the built-in underlying assumptions (which themselves are quite transphobic and homophobic). Using the word "gay" doesn't automatically make everything funny, unless you're a homophobe or a 12-year-old. If you really think you made a funny joke that somehow makes sense, then can you explain why it's funny, and which underlying assumptions it depends on? (Please don't. I'm just joking. It isn't funny, and you can't make it funny by trying to explain it.) Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-... Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/20110... A New Study Reveals that Insecure Men Use Sexist and Homophobic Jokes to Appear More Manly: https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ Armoured Closet Gay: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay "When I grew up, being gay, being a sissy or anything like that was verboten. I disliked myself intensely and feared this part of myself intensely and had to hide it and became "Perfect Richard, All-American Boy" as a place to hide." — Richard Chamberlain AKA The Law of Inverse Homosexuality: The more vocally opposed a person is to homosexuality, the more likely they are to be gay themself and closeted about it. He's the strongest, toughest, manliest man in the sports team. He might hate gays and be vocal, or even violent about it. He will remind everybody that he is completely, 100% straight. That is, during the daytime. When night falls, you can find him Where Everybody Knows Your Flame with the Club Kids and Gym Bunnies. He might be browsing Grindr with a headless torso pic. He's the self-loathing gay guy who hides behind a macho façade. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay The misconception that being Transgender is merely taking homosexuality one step further. In Real Life, homosexuality and being transgender are entirely separate concepts, as they relate to two different things. Being gay or lesbian relates to sexual and romantic attraction, and means being attracted to others of the same sex. Being trans relates to gender identity, and means self-identifying as a gender different from your body's physical sexnote . This can be expressed as being "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice versa. However, this distinction is all too often overlooked by both straight and gay cisgendernote writers wanting to insert a little diversity into their stories. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhobia http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhob... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpeci... Anti-gay US lawmaker resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office': https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-resigns-caught-sex-man-office/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-... TRUMP CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR AND 'FAMILY VALUES' REPUBLICAN PLEADS GUILTY TO CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING, FACES LIFE IN PRISON: http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-trump-coordinator-716348 http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-tru... 16 Anti-Gay Activists Who Were Caught Being Gay: https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught...
- Simon_says 9y ago
  I don't really want to respond to this wall of text. I can't even bring myself to read the the whole thing. Except I want to point out that I don't care what anybody on here thinks about my sexuality. I really don't. How could I? None of this is about -me- because nobody on here knows the slightest bit of detail about my personal life. I just had a thought that I (and evidently at least one other person) found humorous, and I felt a desire to share, nothing nobler or less noble. I was utterly shocked that it prompted a flame war that came to the attention of the mods.
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    Then I hope you learned something: Stop telling homophobic jokes if you have a problem with people thinking you're gay, or even if you don't. Got it? Have any problem with that?
    - Simon_says 9y ago
      i) Nothing about the joke is homophobic. ii) I learned something, but perhaps not what you wish I'd learned. iii) I don't care if you think I'm gay, partly because I wouldn't care if I were gay or not, but mostly because I don't care what strangers think at all. iv) My jokes are no more or less funny depending on the sexuality of the teller. v) I generally don't have any problem with anything anybody thinks or says, though political winds in other countries are starting to concern me a bit, Canada's pronoun law for example. So long as we're only talking and nobody's going to jail for wrongspeak, I think there's no problem.
      - DonHopkins 9y ago
        1) That's not what most people thought, which is why you were immediately downvoted, flagged, and rightfully called an ass. 2) Stop making homophobic jokes and then pretending they're not homophobic, if you don't want people to know you're an asshole. 3) You've already revealed a lot of personal information about yourself and your character in this discussion and your comment history. So do you agree to stop telling homophobic jokes, or not? If not, then why do you insist on violating the rules of this community by telling them?

Since you ask: it's not just me, it's science (also journalism documenting many recent and historic events) that says many homophobes are secretly gay, and it's also a popular and widely known trope and basis of many memes, which you should take into account next time you feel the irresistible urge make a homophobic joke without intending for people to assume you're a closeted gay. Rule of thumb: If you're really not gay, and don't want people to think you're gay, then simply stop making homophobic jokes! Your "joke" was essentially transphobic and homophobic at its core, and not even funny because it doesn't even make any sense, even if you accept all the built-in underlying assumptions (which themselves are quite transphobic and homophobic). Using the word "gay" doesn't automatically make everything funny, unless you're a homophobe or a 12-year-old. If you really think you made a funny joke that somehow makes sense, then can you explain why it's funny, and which underlying assumptions it depends on? (Please don't. I'm just joking. It isn't funny, and you can't make it funny by trying to explain it.) Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-... Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/20110... A New Study Reveals that Insecure Men Use Sexist and Homophobic Jokes to Appear More Manly: https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ Armoured Closet Gay: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay "When I grew up, being gay, being a sissy or anything like that was verboten. I disliked myself intensely and feared this part of myself intensely and had to hide it and became "Perfect Richard, All-American Boy" as a place to hide." — Richard Chamberlain AKA The Law of Inverse Homosexuality: The more vocally opposed a person is to homosexuality, the more likely they are to be gay themself and closeted about it. He's the strongest, toughest, manliest man in the sports team. He might hate gays and be vocal, or even violent about it. He will remind everybody that he is completely, 100% straight. That is, during the daytime. When night falls, you can find him Where Everybody Knows Your Flame with the Club Kids and Gym Bunnies. He might be browsing Grindr with a headless torso pic. He's the self-loathing gay guy who hides behind a macho façade. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay The misconception that being Transgender is merely taking homosexuality one step further. In Real Life, homosexuality and being transgender are entirely separate concepts, as they relate to two different things. Being gay or lesbian relates to sexual and romantic attraction, and means being attracted to others of the same sex. Being trans relates to gender identity, and means self-identifying as a gender different from your body's physical sexnote . This can be expressed as being "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice versa. However, this distinction is all too often overlooked by both straight and gay cisgendernote writers wanting to insert a little diversity into their stories. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhobia http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhob... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpeci... Anti-gay US lawmaker resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office': https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-resigns-caught-sex-man-office/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-... TRUMP CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR AND 'FAMILY VALUES' REPUBLICAN PLEADS GUILTY TO CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING, FACES LIFE IN PRISON: http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-trump-coordinator-716348 http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-tru... 16 Anti-Gay Activists Who Were Caught Being Gay: https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught...

Simon_says 9y ago
I don't really want to respond to this wall of text. I can't even bring myself to read the the whole thing. Except I want to point out that I don't care what anybody on here thinks about my sexuality. I really don't. How could I? None of this is about -me- because nobody on here knows the slightest bit of detail about my personal life. I just had a thought that I (and evidently at least one other person) found humorous, and I felt a desire to share, nothing nobler or less noble. I was utterly shocked that it prompted a flame war that came to the attention of the mods.
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  Then I hope you learned something: Stop telling homophobic jokes if you have a problem with people thinking you're gay, or even if you don't. Got it? Have any problem with that?
  - Simon_says 9y ago
    i) Nothing about the joke is homophobic. ii) I learned something, but perhaps not what you wish I'd learned. iii) I don't care if you think I'm gay, partly because I wouldn't care if I were gay or not, but mostly because I don't care what strangers think at all. iv) My jokes are no more or less funny depending on the sexuality of the teller. v) I generally don't have any problem with anything anybody thinks or says, though political winds in other countries are starting to concern me a bit, Canada's pronoun law for example. So long as we're only talking and nobody's going to jail for wrongspeak, I think there's no problem.
    - DonHopkins 9y ago
      1) That's not what most people thought, which is why you were immediately downvoted, flagged, and rightfully called an ass. 2) Stop making homophobic jokes and then pretending they're not homophobic, if you don't want people to know you're an asshole. 3) You've already revealed a lot of personal information about yourself and your character in this discussion and your comment history. So do you agree to stop telling homophobic jokes, or not? If not, then why do you insist on violating the rules of this community by telling them?