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It's only civil because it's a follow-up; usually it's only his first email in a thread that follows the classic (notorious?) Torvalds style. For those who wan

It's only civil because it's a follow-up; usually it's only his first email in a thread that follows the classic (notorious?) Torvalds style. For those who want it, here's his first email in the thread, profanity and all: https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/11/17/767 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/11/17/767

avinassh 9y ago
Nope, this is the first email - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html Entire thread links from start: 1 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01325.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01325.html 2 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html 3 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01368.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01368.html 4 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01636.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01636.html 5 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html
- FussyZeus 9y ago
  Normally I'm not a fan of Linus, but this: > IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE when security people set magical new rules, and then make the kernel panic when those new rules are violated. > That is pure and utter bullshit. We've had more than a quarter century _without_ those rules, you don't then suddenly walz in and say "oh, everbody must do this, and if you haven't, we will kill the kernel". > The fact that you "introduced the fallback mode" late in that series just shows HOW INCREDIBLY BROKEN the series started out. This makes perfect sense and outlines a real problem with security patching in general.
  - digi_owl 9y ago
    Sadly this kind of magical security thinking have many proponents higher up in the Linux stack, and they have the backing/support of GKH. Thus i worry what will happen the day Linus give up the reins.
    - FussyZeus 9y ago
      I honestly don't think Linus will give it up until he's in a box. He lives and breathes the kernel.
ddalex 9y ago
Nope, his first email in the thread was this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/11/17/423 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/11/17/423 Where he's quite civil and explains quite clearly why he won't accept the patch, and what should happen for the patch to be accepted. The Kees's reply insisting on the merge is what led to the profanity-laden email, and frankly I understand that (not condone, but understand from a human-reaction point of view) - how many times does one have to iterate his viewpoint to others to make himself heard?

avinassh 9y ago

Nope, this is the first email - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html Entire thread links from start: 1 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01325.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01325.html 2 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01357.html 3 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01368.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01368.html 4 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01636.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01636.html 5 - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html

FussyZeus 9y ago
Normally I'm not a fan of Linus, but this: > IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE when security people set magical new rules, and then make the kernel panic when those new rules are violated. > That is pure and utter bullshit. We've had more than a quarter century _without_ those rules, you don't then suddenly walz in and say "oh, everbody must do this, and if you haven't, we will kill the kernel". > The fact that you "introduced the fallback mode" late in that series just shows HOW INCREDIBLY BROKEN the series started out. This makes perfect sense and outlines a real problem with security patching in general.
- digi_owl 9y ago
  Sadly this kind of magical security thinking have many proponents higher up in the Linux stack, and they have the backing/support of GKH. Thus i worry what will happen the day Linus give up the reins.
  - FussyZeus 9y ago
    I honestly don't think Linus will give it up until he's in a box. He lives and breathes the kernel.

ddalex 9y ago

Nope, his first email in the thread was this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/11/17/423 https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/11/17/423 Where he's quite civil and explains quite clearly why he won't accept the patch, and what should happen for the patch to be accepted. The Kees's reply insisting on the merge is what led to the profanity-laden email, and frankly I understand that (not condone, but understand from a human-reaction point of view) - how many times does one have to iterate his viewpoint to others to make himself heard?