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It's rare to see someone so bought-in to the noise and lies that Ajit Pai is spewing here on HN, usually a more educated user base but nonetheless let's jump ri

by urda 9y ago

It's rare to see someone so bought-in to the noise and lies that Ajit Pai is spewing here on HN, usually a more educated user base but nonetheless let's jump right in and counteract this bad comment. First of all, the Patriot Act was a complete joke. It is a slap in the face to this country, and a great living example of how "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety", so using that as a "positive point" is actually the very opposite. But I'm not worried about the Patriot Act right now, so we'll move on from it. Without Net Neutrality we end up with a world like this: https://i.imgur.com/0jXF92k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0jXF92k.jpg Now before you lose your mind and start shouting "hypothetical!" much like our problematic Ajit Pai has been slinging, this is very much a reality for those stuck under that ISP. [1] THIS is what can (and very likely will) happen if US Telecoms and ISPs are allowed to repeal Net Neutrality. This isn't a joke anymore, this isn't a "well let's hear both sides first" kind of situation. This is an "act NOW" or we will lose the magic that made the internet the great connecting network of this planet. Many topics on HN are open to debate, this is not one of them. Not protecting or supporting Net Neutrality is the tech worker equivalent of being an "anti-vaxer". The fact that you are supporting the insanity that the current FCC Chair is pushing, it terrifies me that you are anywhere near my line of work. So we'll push back, we'll make the calls, we'll get the feet on the ground, because the comment you've painted is a horrifying reality where the powerful Telecoms tax every aspect of life. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q5_oV4JB10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q5_oV4JB10

programmarchy 9y ago
Do you realize you haven't actually made any argument that refutes any of the points I made? You've just made ad hominem attacks against me, and an assertion about what may happen in the future, with zero reasoning. Then you say this topic isn't even open to debate. You sound like one of those anti-free speech types, exactly the people I don't want censoring the internet using the force of the state. Get real. This is exactly the type of hysteria I was talking about. Thanks for proving my point!
- urda 9y ago
  I have multiple citations there for starters, and clearly you didn't read any of them. > You've just made ad hominem attacks against me, and an assertion about what may happen in the future, with zero reasoning. Not at all, not only was the comment considerable I was even nice and included external sources for you to evaluate. In fact, one was the fact that without Net Neuatrality the internet is carved up, and that our current FCC chair thinks that's a hypothetical. Please, replying to comments on HN and showing that you didn't read my content or sources is in poor form, and you should stop that. This isn't a pretend situation, this is actually happening in countries that do not have these protections. > You sound like one of those anti-free speech types, exactly the people I don't want censoring the internet using the force of the state. Guess what Comcast, and any other ISP can do if we lose Net Neutrality? Remove your ability to post about anywhere on the internet. I'm defending that, you are not. So you're actually the anti-free speech person here right now. Literally! > Then you say this topic isn't even open to debate. It really isn't, let me explain that to you again: It really is not up for debate, the idea that "all bits are equal" is not up for debate. That's why I compared your poor point to an "anti-vaxer". Your point is toxic and dangerous to the current free and open internet. You want ISPs to be granted the ability to stamp out free speech and then attempt to tell me I'm against free speech? You've got a long way to go before you reach any sane argument point. I'll allow the HN voting system, my actual citations you've so conveniently ignored, and perhaps you'll actually read my comment instead. > Thanks for proving my point! I think the rest of HN, myself, and the internet have done a fantastic job of proving that no you don't actually have a point. So I'm not sure what you are celebrating here. I will not engage with you any further, and again I am absolutely terrified of anyone involved with Technology siding with the current FCC chair, as it shows deep ignorance that we must work to correct. > Get real. You're the one that needs to "get real". I will not engage in your trolling behavior any further, that last sentence pretty much confirmed you're not one to listen.
  - programmarchy 9y ago
    These are all ad hominem, since you genuinely don't seem to realize: > someone so bought-in to the noise and lies > usually a more educated user base > our problematic Ajit Pai has been slinging > equivalent of being an "anti-vaxer" > you are supporting the insanity > terrifies me that you are anywhere near my line of work > the comment you've painted is a horrifying reality Also, > "all bits are equal" Now I'm terrified that you're in my line of work! ;)
fjsolwmv 9y ago
The time to act was before Nov 6 2016
sctb 9y ago
You're breaking the guidelines by making personal attacks like this. Please don't, it just makes the threads way worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by urda 9y ago

programmarchy 9y ago

Do you realize you haven't actually made any argument that refutes any of the points I made? You've just made ad hominem attacks against me, and an assertion about what may happen in the future, with zero reasoning. Then you say this topic isn't even open to debate. You sound like one of those anti-free speech types, exactly the people I don't want censoring the internet using the force of the state. Get real. This is exactly the type of hysteria I was talking about. Thanks for proving my point!

urda 9y ago
I have multiple citations there for starters, and clearly you didn't read any of them. > You've just made ad hominem attacks against me, and an assertion about what may happen in the future, with zero reasoning. Not at all, not only was the comment considerable I was even nice and included external sources for you to evaluate. In fact, one was the fact that without Net Neuatrality the internet is carved up, and that our current FCC chair thinks that's a hypothetical. Please, replying to comments on HN and showing that you didn't read my content or sources is in poor form, and you should stop that. This isn't a pretend situation, this is actually happening in countries that do not have these protections. > You sound like one of those anti-free speech types, exactly the people I don't want censoring the internet using the force of the state. Guess what Comcast, and any other ISP can do if we lose Net Neutrality? Remove your ability to post about anywhere on the internet. I'm defending that, you are not. So you're actually the anti-free speech person here right now. Literally! > Then you say this topic isn't even open to debate. It really isn't, let me explain that to you again: It really is not up for debate, the idea that "all bits are equal" is not up for debate. That's why I compared your poor point to an "anti-vaxer". Your point is toxic and dangerous to the current free and open internet. You want ISPs to be granted the ability to stamp out free speech and then attempt to tell me I'm against free speech? You've got a long way to go before you reach any sane argument point. I'll allow the HN voting system, my actual citations you've so conveniently ignored, and perhaps you'll actually read my comment instead. > Thanks for proving my point! I think the rest of HN, myself, and the internet have done a fantastic job of proving that no you don't actually have a point. So I'm not sure what you are celebrating here. I will not engage with you any further, and again I am absolutely terrified of anyone involved with Technology siding with the current FCC chair, as it shows deep ignorance that we must work to correct. > Get real. You're the one that needs to "get real". I will not engage in your trolling behavior any further, that last sentence pretty much confirmed you're not one to listen.
- programmarchy 9y ago
  These are all ad hominem, since you genuinely don't seem to realize: > someone so bought-in to the noise and lies > usually a more educated user base > our problematic Ajit Pai has been slinging > equivalent of being an "anti-vaxer" > you are supporting the insanity > terrifies me that you are anywhere near my line of work > the comment you've painted is a horrifying reality Also, > "all bits are equal" Now I'm terrified that you're in my line of work! ;)

fjsolwmv 9y ago

The time to act was before Nov 6 2016

sctb 9y ago

You're breaking the guidelines by making personal attacks like this. Please don't, it just makes the threads way worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html