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> I propose Donald Trump use the NSA (legally) to steal all of this information to track illegal immigrants who pass between Mexico and the USA border who don't

> I propose Donald Trump use the NSA (legally) to steal all of this information to track illegal immigrants who pass between Mexico and the USA border who don't have a passport on file. > Wow, that's really fucked up, huh? Well, fucked up that you're picking specifically on the Mexicans, sure (it's not right to ratchet up enforcement on just one nationality or race). And more than a little heavy-handed on enforcement. Other than the obvious hyperbole, it's enforcing the law. Selective enforcement and non-enforcement of laws that you disagree with isn't a good thing; it allows those laws to stay on the books past their usefulness.

katastic 9y ago
You're intentionally focusing on a piece of my argument that you can distort into racism so you don't have to debate the rest. I picked Mexican deportation because it's an issue WE all disagree with. It's using common ground to make an argument. You might as well be calling anyone who says "hitler was evil" a neo-Nazi. I'm arguing AGAINST giving Trump tools for deportation. Get off your moral high horse so you can realize we're all on the same plane.
- khedoros1 9y ago
  > I'm arguing AGAINST giving Trump tools for deportation. I understand that. I picked that section of your argument to attack because I'm against targeting specific races or nationalities, but I'm not against enforcing our current laws against criminals. We should absolutely enforce our immigration laws. Just like we should enforce our laws governing medical privacy and such. I disagree with "Mexican deportation" because it's targeting the wrong thing. Anyone subject to deportation should be deported, not just some specific race or nationality. If that's not what the country wants anymore, cool, that'll generate the support to overhaul the laws. Loosen residency and citizenship requirements. Get it so those people don't have to hide in the shadows. This "sanctuary city/state" crap is just prolonging the pain. It's a net negative for the states and the country as a whole. As a whole, I'm against giving the government more information than it already has. But your argument made assumptions that don't hold, through much of the country. It was like reading "Civil forfeiture is unjust and should be outlawed. We should be allowed to transport our life savings in cash cross-country. And also the money from that chop shop we run in our spare time."

katastic 9y ago

You're intentionally focusing on a piece of my argument that you can distort into racism so you don't have to debate the rest. I picked Mexican deportation because it's an issue WE all disagree with. It's using common ground to make an argument. You might as well be calling anyone who says "hitler was evil" a neo-Nazi. I'm arguing AGAINST giving Trump tools for deportation. Get off your moral high horse so you can realize we're all on the same plane.

khedoros1 9y ago
> I'm arguing AGAINST giving Trump tools for deportation. I understand that. I picked that section of your argument to attack because I'm against targeting specific races or nationalities, but I'm not against enforcing our current laws against criminals. We should absolutely enforce our immigration laws. Just like we should enforce our laws governing medical privacy and such. I disagree with "Mexican deportation" because it's targeting the wrong thing. Anyone subject to deportation should be deported, not just some specific race or nationality. If that's not what the country wants anymore, cool, that'll generate the support to overhaul the laws. Loosen residency and citizenship requirements. Get it so those people don't have to hide in the shadows. This "sanctuary city/state" crap is just prolonging the pain. It's a net negative for the states and the country as a whole. As a whole, I'm against giving the government more information than it already has. But your argument made assumptions that don't hold, through much of the country. It was like reading "Civil forfeiture is unjust and should be outlawed. We should be allowed to transport our life savings in cash cross-country. And also the money from that chop shop we run in our spare time."