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You're an ass. Comments like this make me hate people. Why does it even matter what their sexuality is? And why does that group of people need a special name

DonHopkins 9y ago
It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the reference, "Are Traps Gay" is an alt-right meme and shout-out to Milo Yiannopoulos.
- thisacctforreal 9y ago
  Sheesh, when did that start having alt-right connotations? It's a question anyone remotely into contemporary anime/manga would ponder.
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    Since you asked: August 10, 2015.
- stordoff 9y ago
  > is an alt-right meme and shout-out to Milo Yiannopoulos Wait, since when? The way it is phrased, and often the discussion it prompts, is certainly transphobic/homophobic, but any context I've seen it in (which hasn't been for a good few years) has been totally divorced from the alt-right. Did I miss it getting picked up by those groups at some point?
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/traps http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/traps “Are Traps Gay?” is a satirical debate within otaku and alt-right online communities, attempting to determine if being attracted to a crossdressing man is an indication of homosexuality. This debate is often discussed alongside the discussions of anime and futanari character design. On February 21st, 2015, Redditor NyaaFlame posted a thread entitled “Why Liking Traps Isn’t Gay” to the /r/anime subreddit. Later that year, on July 31st, 2015 YouTuber king rad uploaded a video in which alt-right leader Milo Yiannopoulos" “Is it gay to like traps?”[1] Yiannopoulos appears to be hearing the term for the first time. On August 10, 2015, he uploaded a video to YouTube entitled “Judge Milo Decides: Are Traps Gay?” The video receives more than 74,900 views.
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- ygaf 9y ago
  No, that's an ancient 4chan meme (source: haven't been there for years). It was a witty remark and not unsolicited. I'm wondering whether you've been digging through his profile just now, or you keep a list of people guilty of phrases like "I don't like my speech being dictated"?
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    Pepe is an ancient 4chan meme too, but it has a very different specific meaning now. If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited, you should consider going back to 4chan, where you'll find a lot more stuff like that which appeals to you, and where you won't be so inconveniently expected to treat other people with decency and respect.
    - ygaf 9y ago
      >If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited... You should be able to see that the first post is an opening for humour. Speaking of decency and respect, the word "trap", as opposed to being an insult, is a compliment elevating a subset of transsexuals. At the risk of making a deadly faux-pas like the flagged poster, trans people do aim to have the appearance of the opposite sex right?
      - DonHopkins 9y ago
        Your questions aren't worthy of answers. Go back to 4chan, please.
        ygaf 9y ago
        >still acting like I 'come from' 4chan It must be great having cheap stock answers for everything. Flippant as I am, I was honestly curious about how you and another poster took the word "trap" as an insult to transsexuals. To me traps were a separate concept to transsexuals, a trap is something any man could be at any point in time. Forget the question about how you know Simon_says so well.
- Simon_says 9y ago
  Are you actually implying that my making a joke is evidence of some deep dark secret about my sexuality?
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    Since you ask: it's not just me, it's science (also journalism documenting many recent and historic events) that says many homophobes are secretly gay, and it's also a popular and widely known trope and basis of many memes, which you should take into account next time you feel the irresistible urge make a homophobic joke without intending for people to assume you're a closeted gay. Rule of thumb: If you're really not gay, and don't want people to think you're gay, then simply stop making homophobic jokes! Your "joke" was essentially transphobic and homophobic at its core, and not even funny because it doesn't even make any sense, even if you accept all the built-in underlying assumptions (which themselves are quite transphobic and homophobic). Using the word "gay" doesn't automatically make everything funny, unless you're a homophobe or a 12-year-old. If you really think you made a funny joke that somehow makes sense, then can you explain why it's funny, and which underlying assumptions it depends on? (Please don't. I'm just joking. It isn't funny, and you can't make it funny by trying to explain it.) Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-... Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/20110... A New Study Reveals that Insecure Men Use Sexist and Homophobic Jokes to Appear More Manly: https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ Armoured Closet Gay: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay "When I grew up, being gay, being a sissy or anything like that was verboten. I disliked myself intensely and feared this part of myself intensely and had to hide it and became "Perfect Richard, All-American Boy" as a place to hide." — Richard Chamberlain AKA The Law of Inverse Homosexuality: The more vocally opposed a person is to homosexuality, the more likely they are to be gay themself and closeted about it. He's the strongest, toughest, manliest man in the sports team. He might hate gays and be vocal, or even violent about it. He will remind everybody that he is completely, 100% straight. That is, during the daytime. When night falls, you can find him Where Everybody Knows Your Flame with the Club Kids and Gym Bunnies. He might be browsing Grindr with a headless torso pic. He's the self-loathing gay guy who hides behind a macho façade. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay The misconception that being Transgender is merely taking homosexuality one step further. In Real Life, homosexuality and being transgender are entirely separate concepts, as they relate to two different things. Being gay or lesbian relates to sexual and romantic attraction, and means being attracted to others of the same sex. Being trans relates to gender identity, and means self-identifying as a gender different from your body's physical sexnote . This can be expressed as being "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice versa. However, this distinction is all too often overlooked by both straight and gay cisgendernote writers wanting to insert a little diversity into their stories. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhobia http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhob... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpeci... Anti-gay US lawmaker resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office': https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-resigns-caught-sex-man-office/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-... TRUMP CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR AND 'FAMILY VALUES' REPUBLICAN PLEADS GUILTY TO CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING, FACES LIFE IN PRISON: http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-trump-coordinator-716348 http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-tru... 16 Anti-Gay Activists Who Were Caught Being Gay: https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught...
msla 9y ago
It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the reference, "Are Traps Gay" is an alt-right meme and shout-out to Milo Yiannopoulos.

DonHopkins 9y ago

It's not his first transphobic remark. Not only does he call trans people "traps", but he also objects to using proper pronouns because "I don't like my speech being dictated". It's easy to guess what he's obsessed with and ashamed about, and it's not about his lack of ability to treat people with respect. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15242499 And FYI, in case you're a nice enough person to have missed the reference, "Are Traps Gay" is an alt-right meme and shout-out to Milo Yiannopoulos.

thisacctforreal 9y ago
Sheesh, when did that start having alt-right connotations? It's a question anyone remotely into contemporary anime/manga would ponder.
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  Since you asked: August 10, 2015.
stordoff 9y ago
> is an alt-right meme and shout-out to Milo Yiannopoulos Wait, since when? The way it is phrased, and often the discussion it prompts, is certainly transphobic/homophobic, but any context I've seen it in (which hasn't been for a good few years) has been totally divorced from the alt-right. Did I miss it getting picked up by those groups at some point?
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/traps http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/traps “Are Traps Gay?” is a satirical debate within otaku and alt-right online communities, attempting to determine if being attracted to a crossdressing man is an indication of homosexuality. This debate is often discussed alongside the discussions of anime and futanari character design. On February 21st, 2015, Redditor NyaaFlame posted a thread entitled “Why Liking Traps Isn’t Gay” to the /r/anime subreddit. Later that year, on July 31st, 2015 YouTuber king rad uploaded a video in which alt-right leader Milo Yiannopoulos" “Is it gay to like traps?”[1] Yiannopoulos appears to be hearing the term for the first time. On August 10, 2015, he uploaded a video to YouTube entitled “Judge Milo Decides: Are Traps Gay?” The video receives more than 74,900 views.
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ygaf 9y ago
No, that's an ancient 4chan meme (source: haven't been there for years). It was a witty remark and not unsolicited. I'm wondering whether you've been digging through his profile just now, or you keep a list of people guilty of phrases like "I don't like my speech being dictated"?
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  Pepe is an ancient 4chan meme too, but it has a very different specific meaning now. If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited, you should consider going back to 4chan, where you'll find a lot more stuff like that which appeals to you, and where you won't be so inconveniently expected to treat other people with decency and respect.
  - ygaf 9y ago
    >If you think it was a witty remark and not unsolicited... You should be able to see that the first post is an opening for humour. Speaking of decency and respect, the word "trap", as opposed to being an insult, is a compliment elevating a subset of transsexuals. At the risk of making a deadly faux-pas like the flagged poster, trans people do aim to have the appearance of the opposite sex right?
    - DonHopkins 9y ago
      Your questions aren't worthy of answers. Go back to 4chan, please.
      - ygaf 9y ago
        >still acting like I 'come from' 4chan It must be great having cheap stock answers for everything. Flippant as I am, I was honestly curious about how you and another poster took the word "trap" as an insult to transsexuals. To me traps were a separate concept to transsexuals, a trap is something any man could be at any point in time. Forget the question about how you know Simon_says so well.
Simon_says 9y ago
Are you actually implying that my making a joke is evidence of some deep dark secret about my sexuality?
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  Since you ask: it's not just me, it's science (also journalism documenting many recent and historic events) that says many homophobes are secretly gay, and it's also a popular and widely known trope and basis of many memes, which you should take into account next time you feel the irresistible urge make a homophobic joke without intending for people to assume you're a closeted gay. Rule of thumb: If you're really not gay, and don't want people to think you're gay, then simply stop making homophobic jokes! Your "joke" was essentially transphobic and homophobic at its core, and not even funny because it doesn't even make any sense, even if you accept all the built-in underlying assumptions (which themselves are quite transphobic and homophobic). Using the word "gay" doesn't automatically make everything funny, unless you're a homophobe or a 12-year-old. If you really think you made a funny joke that somehow makes sense, then can you explain why it's funny, and which underlying assumptions it depends on? (Please don't. I'm just joking. It isn't funny, and you can't make it funny by trying to explain it.) Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-... Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/20110... A New Study Reveals that Insecure Men Use Sexist and Homophobic Jokes to Appear More Manly: https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ https://hornetapp.com/stories/study-sexist-homophobic-jokes/ Armoured Closet Gay: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArmouredClosetGay "When I grew up, being gay, being a sissy or anything like that was verboten. I disliked myself intensely and feared this part of myself intensely and had to hide it and became "Perfect Richard, All-American Boy" as a place to hide." — Richard Chamberlain AKA The Law of Inverse Homosexuality: The more vocally opposed a person is to homosexuality, the more likely they are to be gay themself and closeted about it. He's the strongest, toughest, manliest man in the sports team. He might hate gays and be vocal, or even violent about it. He will remind everybody that he is completely, 100% straight. That is, during the daytime. When night falls, you can find him Where Everybody Knows Your Flame with the Club Kids and Gym Bunnies. He might be browsing Grindr with a headless torso pic. He's the self-loathing gay guy who hides behind a macho façade. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TransEqualsGay The misconception that being Transgender is merely taking homosexuality one step further. In Real Life, homosexuality and being transgender are entirely separate concepts, as they relate to two different things. Being gay or lesbian relates to sexual and romantic attraction, and means being attracted to others of the same sex. Being trans relates to gender identity, and means self-identifying as a gender different from your body's physical sexnote . This can be expressed as being "a woman trapped in a man's body" or vice versa. However, this distinction is all too often overlooked by both straight and gay cisgendernote writers wanting to insert a little diversity into their stories. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhobia http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CategorismAsAPhob... http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpeci... Anti-gay US lawmaker resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office': https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-resigns-caught-sex-man-office/ https://tribune.com.pk/story/1561269/3-anti-gay-us-lawmaker-... TRUMP CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR AND 'FAMILY VALUES' REPUBLICAN PLEADS GUILTY TO CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING, FACES LIFE IN PRISON: http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-trump-coordinator-716348 http://www.newsweek.com/republican-sex-trafficking-child-tru... 16 Anti-Gay Activists Who Were Caught Being Gay: https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught-being-gay/joanne https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-anti-gay-activists-caught...

msla 9y ago