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Careful there with Kool Aid.

by eps 9y ago

snowpanda 9y ago
Agreed, it would be nice to have an actual conversation about the issues in the mobile market right now instead of pointing to one of the 2 major companies, that nobody should really be 100% confident about. IMO both Google and Apple aren't saints. Apple had a fairly similar headline in 2011[1]. Now watch people here on HN explain why that was completely different. It's a guarantee. We really should be focusing coming up with ideas on what we can do. My friend for example (and this isn't a perfect solution) but he bought 2 phones, one of these for calling: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AwGb3pKCL.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AwGb3pKCL... (extremely thin in real life) And then he caries a smartphone for encrypted chat apps etc. He removed a bunch of hardware chips from the smartphone so even if you put a simcard it it doesn't connect anywhere. Also the microphone was removed and some other things. It works great. At first he had it with the simcard still in, but he wanted more privacy. Personally, I would have kept a 4g only simcard or something, it's kind of a trade-off because now he can only chat on wifi. It's far from perfect, but at least he's trying something. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tr...
- djrogers 9y ago
  > Apple had a fairly similar headline in 2011[1]. Now watch people here on HN explain why that was completely different. It's a guarantee. Ok, since you’ve so eloquently asked - a local copy of your location history that colllected when location services are turned on is completely different from remotely collecting location data even when you’ve explicitly disabled location services. Any attempt to say these are the same thing has gone beyond naive to willfully ignorant at best.
  - fhood 9y ago
    Thank you for pointing this out. For a community of fairly intelligent people, hacker news comenters fall back on false equivalence near constantly.
21717117 9y ago
It was Flavor Aid :P
rimliu 9y ago
I am all ears to see you evidence that this is just Kool Aid. As iOS developer I at least see all the API changes them make to make tracking users (or rather, phones) more and more difficult. You don't even get to access the true MAC from your phone.

Careful there with Kool Aid.

by eps 9y ago

Careful there with Kool Aid.

Agreed, it would be nice to have an actual conversation about the issues in the mobile market right now instead of pointing to one of the 2 major companies, that nobody should really be 100% confident about. IMO both Google and Apple aren't saints. Apple had a fairly similar headline in 2011[1]. Now watch people here on HN explain why that was completely different. It's a guarantee. We really should be focusing coming up with ideas on what we can do. My friend for example (and this isn't a perfect solution) but he bought 2 phones, one of these for calling: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AwGb3pKCL.jpg https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AwGb3pKCL... (extremely thin in real life) And then he caries a smartphone for encrypted chat apps etc. He removed a bunch of hardware chips from the smartphone so even if you put a simcard it it doesn't connect anywhere. Also the microphone was removed and some other things. It works great. At first he had it with the simcard still in, but he wanted more privacy. Personally, I would have kept a 4g only simcard or something, it's kind of a trade-off because now he can only chat on wifi. It's far from perfect, but at least he's trying something. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tr...

djrogers 9y ago
> Apple had a fairly similar headline in 2011[1]. Now watch people here on HN explain why that was completely different. It's a guarantee. Ok, since you’ve so eloquently asked - a local copy of your location history that colllected when location services are turned on is completely different from remotely collecting location data even when you’ve explicitly disabled location services. Any attempt to say these are the same thing has gone beyond naive to willfully ignorant at best.
- fhood 9y ago
  Thank you for pointing this out. For a community of fairly intelligent people, hacker news comenters fall back on false equivalence near constantly.

21717117 9y ago

It was Flavor Aid :P

rimliu 9y ago

I am all ears to see you evidence that this is just Kool Aid. As iOS developer I at least see all the API changes them make to make tracking users (or rather, phones) more and more difficult. You don't even get to access the true MAC from your phone.