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Staying with accountability. The source of the vast majority of these attacks are from China, Russia, and Eastern European countries. Why shouldn't the people c

Staying with accountability. The source of the vast majority of these attacks are from China, Russia, and Eastern European countries. Why shouldn't the people commiting the crimes be punished? Currently those governments and crimals almost always get away with it. There is no punishment for bad behavior. As most of us being technical engineers on HN know it is nearly impossible to completely prevent a breach or attack if a savvy group wants to put in the effort and time. I'm not saying that Equifax and equivalent companies were not grossly inept and incompetent, but eventually we have to start putting pressure on the criminals and reduce the incentives. Cyber crime currently does pay. Extremely well.

will_hughes 9y ago
There are already enough laws covering the unauthorised use of computer systems. The US Congress (and for that matter European Parliament) are limited to acting upon companies and people within their borders. Who should you go after? The people that keep stealing drugs from the pharmacy, or the pharmacist who keeps the keys to the drug locker on a chain beside the door.
mschuster91 9y ago
> Currently those governments and crimals almost always get away with it. > but eventually we have to start putting pressure on the criminals Hmm. On the one hand you are certainly right - but on the other hand I'm sick of the consequences of decades of US interventions in foreign countries. To make stuff worse, China, Russia and Eastern Europe is, basically, one block. If the US were to intervene in ANY of the countries, and if only with economic sanctions, I can easily see either a hot war or more stealthy "counter interventions" like the Russian support for Trump on the horizon. Pressure and (military?) intervention only really works against tiny/poor-ish countries in Africa and Southern America. The rest can do whatever they want and are accountable to no one.
JohnLocke1632 9y ago
While I agree that accountability matters, I believe you are stripping blame from U.S. actors when there is blame on the U.S. front as well. To think our country doesn't do these exact same things to other nations is blatantly ignorant. It has been proven that U.S. agencies hold flaw information so that they may use it against foreign or domestic actors rather than informing the entities responsible for these vulnerabilities or the greater public. This is truly a global issue and it is a mistake to focus blame on any singular nation states. You must not let the U.S. propeganda machine cloud your judgement.

will_hughes 9y ago

There are already enough laws covering the unauthorised use of computer systems. The US Congress (and for that matter European Parliament) are limited to acting upon companies and people within their borders. Who should you go after? The people that keep stealing drugs from the pharmacy, or the pharmacist who keeps the keys to the drug locker on a chain beside the door.

mschuster91 9y ago

> Currently those governments and crimals almost always get away with it. > but eventually we have to start putting pressure on the criminals Hmm. On the one hand you are certainly right - but on the other hand I'm sick of the consequences of decades of US interventions in foreign countries. To make stuff worse, China, Russia and Eastern Europe is, basically, one block. If the US were to intervene in ANY of the countries, and if only with economic sanctions, I can easily see either a hot war or more stealthy "counter interventions" like the Russian support for Trump on the horizon. Pressure and (military?) intervention only really works against tiny/poor-ish countries in Africa and Southern America. The rest can do whatever they want and are accountable to no one.

JohnLocke1632 9y ago

While I agree that accountability matters, I believe you are stripping blame from U.S. actors when there is blame on the U.S. front as well. To think our country doesn't do these exact same things to other nations is blatantly ignorant. It has been proven that U.S. agencies hold flaw information so that they may use it against foreign or domestic actors rather than informing the entities responsible for these vulnerabilities or the greater public. This is truly a global issue and it is a mistake to focus blame on any singular nation states. You must not let the U.S. propeganda machine cloud your judgement.