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>I know I understood the blue collar hatred of illegals. I've been on the receiving end of that. Not that its right, mind you- but understanding others viewpoin

>I know I understood the blue collar hatred of illegals. I've been on the receiving end of that. Not that its right, mind you- but understanding others viewpoints is the start of fixing them. Of course it's right to hate people who have no respect for your country's laws and have a meaningful negative impact on your quality of life. You're trying to make it into a racial issue to excuse people who make life worse for blue collar workers. It's also why they hate politicians: they aren't making decisions that benefit blue collar workers. (Starting with NAFTA.) More than half of immigrants are on welfare: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigrant-welfare-use-report/71517072/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/01/immigr... Who knows how crazy the expense is for illegals.

hotgoldminer 9y ago
Or maybe the employers should quit hiring them?
- bluthru 9y ago
  It's a huge problem that requires enforcement at all levels. People should stop abusing opioids, but we should also make sure they don't cross the border into our country.
  - hotgoldminer 9y ago
    I think we should legalize and regulate personally.
dang 9y ago
> Of course it's right to hate people who have no respect for your This crosses into political ranting which is definitely not what we want here. Thoughtful discussion, please, or nothing. We've had to warn you about this before. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bluthru 9y ago
  The best word would be "understandable" instead of "right" because the intent was to explain their political perspective, but I was quoting the parent's matter-of-fact use of "right".
  - dang 9y ago
    That's a fair point, but the larger issue is that your comment and others you've posted are in the genre of political/ideological battle, which is not what we want here. It destroys good conversation, which is what we do want. That doesn't mean you can't express your point of view, just that you need to try an order of magnitude or two harder to do it with respect. This means respect for the ones you're talking to, for the ones who have reason to disagree with you, and for the community at large. That takes effort and practice, but it's an effort many of us have made, and it turns out to be pretty satisfying as well as a way to make the community better instead of destroying it.

hotgoldminer 9y ago

Or maybe the employers should quit hiring them?

bluthru 9y ago
It's a huge problem that requires enforcement at all levels. People should stop abusing opioids, but we should also make sure they don't cross the border into our country.
- hotgoldminer 9y ago
  I think we should legalize and regulate personally.

dang 9y ago

> Of course it's right to hate people who have no respect for your This crosses into political ranting which is definitely not what we want here. Thoughtful discussion, please, or nothing. We've had to warn you about this before. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bluthru 9y ago
The best word would be "understandable" instead of "right" because the intent was to explain their political perspective, but I was quoting the parent's matter-of-fact use of "right".
- dang 9y ago
  That's a fair point, but the larger issue is that your comment and others you've posted are in the genre of political/ideological battle, which is not what we want here. It destroys good conversation, which is what we do want. That doesn't mean you can't express your point of view, just that you need to try an order of magnitude or two harder to do it with respect. This means respect for the ones you're talking to, for the ones who have reason to disagree with you, and for the community at large. That takes effort and practice, but it's an effort many of us have made, and it turns out to be pretty satisfying as well as a way to make the community better instead of destroying it.