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In the world of Linux distribution, they can have multiple independent repositories. When adding another one, you usually import their PGP key to establish trus

In the world of Linux distribution, they can have multiple independent repositories. When adding another one, you usually import their PGP key to establish trust. When you install Google Chrome on Linux, you will add another repository that will be responsible for further Google Chrome updates. In the Android world, multiple app stores exist. There are stores by Amazon, Yandex, Baidu, etc. If Apple wanted, similar mechanism could be made for iOS too.

salvar 9y ago
> In the Android world, multiple app stores exist. There are stores by Amazon, Yandex, Baidu, etc. Do you think non-technical users regard this as a positive or a negative?
- vetinari 9y ago
  Good thing then, than in other areas of life we don't limit ourselves to lowest common denominator. Imagine, if economy or politics worked only according to the naive users. But to answer your question: they would get used to it. Just like to multiple tv channels or multiple car brands.
  - salvar 9y ago
    I could not disagree more with this view on designing for usability, but to each their own.
  - tzahola 9y ago
    Though politics does cater for the lowest common denominator...
    - vetinari 9y ago
      ... by smokes and mirrors, thus selling the appearances, not by inner working.
- chappi42 9y ago
  It wouldn't matter as non-technical users would use the default store as today.
brisance 9y ago
I'm sorry but this is hypocrisy at its worst. You say that Apple is doing this for its own financial interest yet on the other hand Yandex, Baidu, Google, Facebook and all the other companies also have to obey local laws, and are just as bad if not worse since their system of persistent user tracking is far more insidious. Don't like Apple? Don't buy their products. Your involvement with them ends there. Don't like Google? You can't avoid them no matter what OS you are using, no matter what browser you're using etc.
- vetinari 9y ago
  > I'm sorry but this is hypocrisy at its worst. You must elaborate that more, because I can't see it. > Yandex, Baidu, Google, Facebook and all the other companies also have to obey local laws, Sure, but the option of third party app stores opens also option of sideloading. In the case of Apple, when Apple says no, you are without the app, period. > and are just as bad if not worse since their system of persistent user tracking is far more insidious. Not sure about their tracking, but they do not have an equivalent of Play Services on the devices. If you want to be really sure, use F-Droid or apps stores with the principles of F-Droid. > Don't like Google? You can't avoid them no matter what OS you are using, no matter what browser you're using etc. That's not true. When you use Google Search, Gmail or Youtube, it's you who entered the URL into the location bar. You can stop doing that exactly the same way, like you can not purchase Apple products.
  - brisance 9y ago
    >Sure, but the option of third party app stores opens also option of sideloading. In the case of Apple, when Apple says no, you are without the app, period. This is a non-issue that people have brought up countless times. First of all, are we in agreement that app stores and other legal entities have to obey local laws? So your point is moot. Side loading is possible on iOS. You don’t even need to own a Mac to develop for iOS. [1,2,3,4] There is also the open web to fall back on. And you are incorrect about user tracking. Just a day ago Google was caught tracking users even when location services are turned off. [5] And please educate yourself about modern ad tracking [6] [1] https://www.outsystems.com https://www.outsystems.com [2] https://www.xamarin.com https://www.xamarin.com [3] https://cordova.apache.org https://cordova.apache.org [4] https://www.xojo.com https://www.xojo.com [5] https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locations-even-when-location-services-are-disabled/ https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio... [6] https://donttrack.us/ https://donttrack.us/

salvar 9y ago

> In the Android world, multiple app stores exist. There are stores by Amazon, Yandex, Baidu, etc. Do you think non-technical users regard this as a positive or a negative?

vetinari 9y ago
Good thing then, than in other areas of life we don't limit ourselves to lowest common denominator. Imagine, if economy or politics worked only according to the naive users. But to answer your question: they would get used to it. Just like to multiple tv channels or multiple car brands.
- salvar 9y ago
  I could not disagree more with this view on designing for usability, but to each their own.
- tzahola 9y ago
  Though politics does cater for the lowest common denominator...
  - vetinari 9y ago
    ... by smokes and mirrors, thus selling the appearances, not by inner working.
chappi42 9y ago
It wouldn't matter as non-technical users would use the default store as today.

brisance 9y ago

I'm sorry but this is hypocrisy at its worst. You say that Apple is doing this for its own financial interest yet on the other hand Yandex, Baidu, Google, Facebook and all the other companies also have to obey local laws, and are just as bad if not worse since their system of persistent user tracking is far more insidious. Don't like Apple? Don't buy their products. Your involvement with them ends there. Don't like Google? You can't avoid them no matter what OS you are using, no matter what browser you're using etc.

vetinari 9y ago
> I'm sorry but this is hypocrisy at its worst. You must elaborate that more, because I can't see it. > Yandex, Baidu, Google, Facebook and all the other companies also have to obey local laws, Sure, but the option of third party app stores opens also option of sideloading. In the case of Apple, when Apple says no, you are without the app, period. > and are just as bad if not worse since their system of persistent user tracking is far more insidious. Not sure about their tracking, but they do not have an equivalent of Play Services on the devices. If you want to be really sure, use F-Droid or apps stores with the principles of F-Droid. > Don't like Google? You can't avoid them no matter what OS you are using, no matter what browser you're using etc. That's not true. When you use Google Search, Gmail or Youtube, it's you who entered the URL into the location bar. You can stop doing that exactly the same way, like you can not purchase Apple products.
- brisance 9y ago
  >Sure, but the option of third party app stores opens also option of sideloading. In the case of Apple, when Apple says no, you are without the app, period. This is a non-issue that people have brought up countless times. First of all, are we in agreement that app stores and other legal entities have to obey local laws? So your point is moot. Side loading is possible on iOS. You don’t even need to own a Mac to develop for iOS. [1,2,3,4] There is also the open web to fall back on. And you are incorrect about user tracking. Just a day ago Google was caught tracking users even when location services are turned off. [5] And please educate yourself about modern ad tracking [6] [1] https://www.outsystems.com https://www.outsystems.com [2] https://www.xamarin.com https://www.xamarin.com [3] https://cordova.apache.org https://cordova.apache.org [4] https://www.xojo.com https://www.xojo.com [5] https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locations-even-when-location-services-are-disabled/ https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio... [6] https://donttrack.us/ https://donttrack.us/