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Isn't the barrier to entry much lower than any of the professions you mentioned? Many professions have professional certifications that artificially limits the

Isn't the barrier to entry much lower than any of the professions you mentioned? Many professions have professional certifications that artificially limits the supply and drives up their prices. (Professional Engineer, CPA, Bar exams, etc.)

johnnyfaehell 9y ago
> Many professions have professional certifications that artificially limits the supply and drives up their prices. We're literally in a profession where companies hire teams of recruiters to get developers. Majority of companies are looking for developers constantly. Whereas with the other professions, there are no supply problems, in fact, there are too many people becoming qualified that people have trouble getting jobs. Also, we have the barrier to entry the y don't have, the serious lack of junior positions, a massive demand for mid/senior positions. Supply and demand, says we should be getting paid more. In realitiy, I get paid pretty well compared to my friends in other fields, but I am aware of the serious discrepancy in salaries. But mainly my main gripe is there is no real support provided for major parts of my toolchain because we just give it away. Companies are literally struggling to come up with good software because everyone expects it for free.
- crazypyro 9y ago
  I think the disconnect is that those teams of recruiters are trying to get experienced developers, not just someone who can sling some code together. A lot of FOSS starts as an amateur's project and buds into the full scale projects we see while the maintainers are also growing as software engineers with the project. People start FOSS projects and give them away because the initial market value tends to be negligible until the project has had time to mature and be fleshed out. Something like Linux had almost zero market value years into the project, its still just a "toy" to the market. Just the way I see things, but I can understand your viewpoint as well.
BrandoElFollito 9y ago
I did not know the concept of "professional engineer" (I am from Europe). We just have engineers, which in practical terms does not mean much, just that you finished a school which is entitled to give you such a title. Then hopefully you are educated enough to sign off that bridge. I read about Professional Engineers but I do not understand how different it is from "experienced engineer". It surely cannot be the exam, or otherwise the other engineers would be "Amateur Engineers" without any rezl use?

johnnyfaehell 9y ago

> Many professions have professional certifications that artificially limits the supply and drives up their prices. We're literally in a profession where companies hire teams of recruiters to get developers. Majority of companies are looking for developers constantly. Whereas with the other professions, there are no supply problems, in fact, there are too many people becoming qualified that people have trouble getting jobs. Also, we have the barrier to entry the y don't have, the serious lack of junior positions, a massive demand for mid/senior positions. Supply and demand, says we should be getting paid more. In realitiy, I get paid pretty well compared to my friends in other fields, but I am aware of the serious discrepancy in salaries. But mainly my main gripe is there is no real support provided for major parts of my toolchain because we just give it away. Companies are literally struggling to come up with good software because everyone expects it for free.

crazypyro 9y ago
I think the disconnect is that those teams of recruiters are trying to get experienced developers, not just someone who can sling some code together. A lot of FOSS starts as an amateur's project and buds into the full scale projects we see while the maintainers are also growing as software engineers with the project. People start FOSS projects and give them away because the initial market value tends to be negligible until the project has had time to mature and be fleshed out. Something like Linux had almost zero market value years into the project, its still just a "toy" to the market. Just the way I see things, but I can understand your viewpoint as well.

BrandoElFollito 9y ago

I did not know the concept of "professional engineer" (I am from Europe). We just have engineers, which in practical terms does not mean much, just that you finished a school which is entitled to give you such a title. Then hopefully you are educated enough to sign off that bridge. I read about Professional Engineers but I do not understand how different it is from "experienced engineer". It surely cannot be the exam, or otherwise the other engineers would be "Amateur Engineers" without any rezl use?