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As someone who does not want BountySource involved in their open source projects, I applaud GitHub for this move. IMO BountySource is a borderline bad actor. It

As someone who does not want BountySource involved in their open source projects, I applaud GitHub for this move. IMO BountySource is a borderline bad actor. It was a pain in the ass to get them to remove my projects from their platform and then they only "sort of" did.

MadcapJake 9y ago
Would you care to elaborate on "borderline bad actor"?
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  I did, in my original comment, immediately following the accusation.
  - openasocket 9y ago
    Do you mind linking to it? I tried digging through your comment history to find it and couldn't.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      Is this a joke? The third parent of your comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15747940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15747940
      - jpeterman 9y ago
        He said ELABORATE, "to develop or present in detail". Your explanation for them being a "borderline bad actor" is sparse to say the least.
      - openasocket 9y ago
        To which MadcapJake responded "Would you care to elaborate", and you responded "I did, in my original comment, immediately following the accusation." I assumed that meant you had made some other comment earlier that explains your complaint in more detail. Did you mean by that that you had just edited your original comment? I'd really like to hear some more detail. I've not heard of BountySource before today, I thought you could go into detail on what you had to do to get your stuff off their site and whatnot.
        Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        I wrote additional context here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433 >what you had to do to get your stuff off their site and whatnot. File GitHub issues that went nowhere, then follow up with a dragged out email thread which ended in bounties being disabled but my projects still showing up on their site.
  - jordigh 9y ago
    Can you elaborate (via an edit, because probably HN won't let you post new replies now), on why you want bountysource to not be involved with your project at all? The desire to not have them involved is what we thought you meant by "bad actor", and we didn't realise that by "bad actor" you meant that they wouldn't remove you when you asked.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      Sure. I didn't want them in my projects for reasons that varied from project to project. Sometimes it was that I did not want money involved in the culture of some of my smaller projects. At other times it was because the overhead of dealing with bounties would be counterproductive to the project, since it was likely to lead to low-value contributions that fulfill a bounty but are not up to the level of quality that the project demands of its contributions. "What do you mean you won't accept this patch? It was paid for by a dozen users!" For one of my projects, we have an internal bounty program which I am more effectively able to exercise a greater degree of control over and make the terms more clear about upfront. None of this is why a bad actor, it's just why it's a bad fit for my projects (and to be honest, many others). Why they're a "borderline bad actor" is what I said earlier: >It was a pain in the ass to get them to remove my projects from their platform and then they only "sort of" did. I could also clarify that BountySource is opt-out: by default they're accepting bounties for projects that did not agree to having a bounty program.
em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
In what ways is BountySource a "bad actor"?
eganist 9y ago
Since reading comprehension is apparently a challenge: Accusation > IMO BountySource is a borderline bad actor. Elaboration > It was a pain in the ass to get them to remove my projects from their platform and then they only "sort of" did. Sir_Cmpwn has no further obligation to elaborate even further on the detail given, though there might be a benefit to explaining what "'sort of' did" means. Edit: looks like he did here anyway -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433
- openasocket 9y ago
  Elaboration is more of a quantitative thing than qualitative, though. It's always possible to elaborate further, and there's no harm in asking to do so. And I found that his further elaboration was helpful: "I could also clarify that BountySource is opt-out: by default they're accepting bounties for projects that did not agree to having a bounty program." I originally assumed you had to register your project on BountySource, and they were just making it difficult to de-register something that had already been added. Making this thing opt-out only, and apparently making opting out difficult, is really bad behavior, and I completely agree with his characterization.
  - philipov 9y ago
    I'm not sure I got all that. Could you elaborate further, please?

MadcapJake 9y ago

Would you care to elaborate on "borderline bad actor"?

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
I did, in my original comment, immediately following the accusation.
- openasocket 9y ago
  Do you mind linking to it? I tried digging through your comment history to find it and couldn't.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    Is this a joke? The third parent of your comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15747940 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15747940
    - jpeterman 9y ago
      He said ELABORATE, "to develop or present in detail". Your explanation for them being a "borderline bad actor" is sparse to say the least.
    - openasocket 9y ago
      To which MadcapJake responded "Would you care to elaborate", and you responded "I did, in my original comment, immediately following the accusation." I assumed that meant you had made some other comment earlier that explains your complaint in more detail. Did you mean by that that you had just edited your original comment? I'd really like to hear some more detail. I've not heard of BountySource before today, I thought you could go into detail on what you had to do to get your stuff off their site and whatnot.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        I wrote additional context here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433 >what you had to do to get your stuff off their site and whatnot. File GitHub issues that went nowhere, then follow up with a dragged out email thread which ended in bounties being disabled but my projects still showing up on their site.
- jordigh 9y ago
  Can you elaborate (via an edit, because probably HN won't let you post new replies now), on why you want bountysource to not be involved with your project at all? The desire to not have them involved is what we thought you meant by "bad actor", and we didn't realise that by "bad actor" you meant that they wouldn't remove you when you asked.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    Sure. I didn't want them in my projects for reasons that varied from project to project. Sometimes it was that I did not want money involved in the culture of some of my smaller projects. At other times it was because the overhead of dealing with bounties would be counterproductive to the project, since it was likely to lead to low-value contributions that fulfill a bounty but are not up to the level of quality that the project demands of its contributions. "What do you mean you won't accept this patch? It was paid for by a dozen users!" For one of my projects, we have an internal bounty program which I am more effectively able to exercise a greater degree of control over and make the terms more clear about upfront. None of this is why a bad actor, it's just why it's a bad fit for my projects (and to be honest, many others). Why they're a "borderline bad actor" is what I said earlier: >It was a pain in the ass to get them to remove my projects from their platform and then they only "sort of" did. I could also clarify that BountySource is opt-out: by default they're accepting bounties for projects that did not agree to having a bounty program.

em3rgent0rdr 9y ago

In what ways is BountySource a "bad actor"?

eganist 9y ago

Since reading comprehension is apparently a challenge: Accusation > IMO BountySource is a borderline bad actor. Elaboration > It was a pain in the ass to get them to remove my projects from their platform and then they only "sort of" did. Sir_Cmpwn has no further obligation to elaborate even further on the detail given, though there might be a benefit to explaining what "'sort of' did" means. Edit: looks like he did here anyway -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15748433

openasocket 9y ago
Elaboration is more of a quantitative thing than qualitative, though. It's always possible to elaborate further, and there's no harm in asking to do so. And I found that his further elaboration was helpful: "I could also clarify that BountySource is opt-out: by default they're accepting bounties for projects that did not agree to having a bounty program." I originally assumed you had to register your project on BountySource, and they were just making it difficult to de-register something that had already been added. Making this thing opt-out only, and apparently making opting out difficult, is really bad behavior, and I completely agree with his characterization.
- philipov 9y ago
  I'm not sure I got all that. Could you elaborate further, please?