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This is also why picking a good monitor is important for software development. Some monitors have tons of input lag (60-70ms) and that's the time it takes for
by nickjj 9y ago
This is also why picking a good monitor is important for software development.
Some monitors have tons of input lag (60-70ms) and that's the time it takes for you to see what you're typing to reach the display. This also includes the time it takes to see you move your mouse cursor too.
I did a huge write up on picking a good monitor for development which can be found at:
https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/how-to-pick-a-good-monitor-for-software-development https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/how-to-pick-a-good-monitor-fo...
I ended up buying the Dell UltraSharp U2515H http://amzn.to/2jF3WHp http://amzn.to/2jF3WHp. It has very low input lag (10-15ms) and it runs natively at 2560x1440.
- perfmode 9y agoHow is the 2715H?
- tobyhinloopen 9y agoAll modern (2014+) Dell IPS displays have excellent input lag
- ino 9y agoI have the same monitor and it's pretty good. The only thing I don't quite like is the pixel size, it's a bit small for native scaling. I kind of wish i had gone for the 27". I went with two 25" because two 27" were a bit too big for me.
- aduitsis 9y agoP2715Q user here. One of the best monitors currently available, excellent color reproduction, top of the line quality. The 4K resolution however is a major problem when you are using Windows 7. Some applications will not play correctly when you try to scale up and at the end you get a mess. Windows 10 is better, but not perfect.
- _jal 9y agoDitto, have a pair of those. They are the nicest I've used in a long time. Haven't noticed the Windows issues, but then I only run a couple applications under win in a VM. No issues with Linux. They've released the UP2718Q at a serious price difference. I'd like to see one in person, but a 3x price increase requires a lot of improvement over an already great monitor.
- nickjj 9y agoI looked at 4k monitors but ultimately decided against it because as soon as you start scaling then you lose the extra screen real estate. At 4k 150% scaling you end up with the same screen space as 2560x1440.
- pault 9y agoI personally like the higher resolution that scaling provides, but if you don't mind low DPI you should check out the 42.5" 4k panel that Dell makes[0]. I have one in my home office, and while it's not great for design and photo editing, the sheer real-estate available is mind blowing. [0] http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-43-ultra-hd-4k-multi-client-monitor-p4317q/apd/210-ahsq/monitors-monitor-accessories http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-43-ultra-hd-4k-mult...
- markbnj 9y agoI agree and I _almost_ didn't buy the 4k panel, but as I noted in my comment above my first Dell panel lasted 12 years, and that's a long time.
- markbnj 9y agoHave the same monitor, it's my third Dell monitor since I bought my 2405fpw back in 2005. I've always gotten excellent performance from them and the 2405 lasted 12 years. The 4k resolution and scaling can cause issues with some apps as you noted. This is especially true if you use multiple panels with heterogeneous resolutions, connect with displayport and occasionally turn one monitor off. This causes windows to move everything to the other display which is a mess. However after futzing with it for a few days post-purchase I had it all working well enough to deal with, even though I occasionally get slack in an over-maxed window on the smaller display. Btw this program is really useful for smoothing mouse movement between the larger and smaller displays in windows 10: https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse
- nickjj 9y agoDo you have 20/20 vision? With glasses (20/20) I can comfortably read text from up to 3 feet away from the 25" version at 1:1 scaling. Even tiny text like the HN text field box.
- 83457 9y ago"I can send an IP packet to Europe faster than I can send a pixel to the screen. How f’d up is that?" - John Carmack
- baq 9y agopeople working on compositors should have that printed out and hung above their coffee machines.
- pjc50 9y agoSolution: send the pixel to the screen over IP! (joking, but with a tiny serious element)
- em3rgent0rdr 9y agothis reminds me of the argument that instead of going to USB C 3.1 as the grand unifying connector for all peripherals (including video), we should have instead migrated to Ethernet cables for everything.
- dilap 9y agoin all seriousness, why not?
- 542458 9y agoThe obvious ones: Ethernet cables are big (imagine one on a phone), and aren't designed to be plugged and unplugged the massive number of times that USB cables are (spring contacts wear out, little clips break).
- jririr828283 9y agoUSB cables have little to do with the question of sending pixels via IP Outside HDMI and some DisplayPort cables, all display connectors click or screw in And we’re talking about desktop OS and displays
- mod 9y agoThat's an affiliate link fwiw
- nickjj 9y agoIt's true, but there's also a 4,000 word detailed blog post that describes how I came to pick that monitor along with giving you insights and tips on how to pick a different monitor if that one isn't for you.
- jcranendonk 9y agoWhy do people care about affiliate links? Serious question.
- stoolpigeon 9y agoIt's good to know that the person posting the link has a financial stake in it. Depending on the context this can mean a lot - like a review or recommendation.
- jdmichal 9y agoExcept it's Amazon. I could understand that position if it was a Dell affiliate link. But Amazon sells so many brands of monitors, any of which could carry the same affiliate code, that I don't see how that matters.
- xaqfox 9y agoJust like the FTC, I do not care about the existence of the affiliate link being on HN, but only the disclosure. It makes for a fair(er) market.
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- ReverseCold 9y agoIt's a conflict of interest. People are more likely to share links that get them the most affiliate $$$.
- frik 9y agoIf you are looking for such monitors, look for gaming monitors with TN-panel, with 2ms or 4ms response time. Compared to office monitors or even TVs there is a big difference. (mind that TN-panel have pro and cons)
- Flenser 9y agoWhat happens if you have multiple monitors? i.e. a TN-panel for gaming and an IPS for graphic design?
- beardbandit 9y agoThis is pretty much my setup. Higher quality TN panels don't have that much of a dropoff from median quality IPS panels.
- noir_lord 9y agoMuch worse viewing angles is a pain.
- beardbandit 9y agoI agree. Which is why its hilarious whenever I ask around for recommendations, especially on Reddit, everyone tries to peg it as a non issue. As if your head never moves and you only have one monitor.
- jandrese 9y agoThe problem is: TN Panel: Pro: Cheap, low latency Con: Everything else
- swah 9y agoIs that still a good monitor vs 4k Dell offerings? Reasonable price here in Brazil.
- nickjj 9y agoYes. I'm going to buy a second one in a few days (waiting to see if there's any Black Friday deals). At this point I've been using 1 for almost a year and it's been nothing but great. I want to get a second one and orient it vertically.
- satysin 9y agoIndeed. I would rather take an excellent monitor, keyboard and mouse over a faster machine without them. Sadly this means I am pretty much limited to desktops as finding a laptop with a colour accurate 120Hz+ display with excellent keyboard seems to be impossible unless I look at some gaming laptop monstrosity that weights 5KG and has a 1 hour battery life. If anyone reading this know of a good laptop for development please let me know!
- colejohnson66 9y agoRazer Blades? Not sure about refresh rate, but they have amazing keyboards and displays from what I hear
- gjm11 9y agoI can't offer you 120Hz, but the ThinkPad P51 with 4K screen has excellent colour gamut and accuracy and the best laptop keyboard in the business (with the possible exception of the old-style ThinkPad keyboard currently available only in the limited-edition "ThinkPad 25"). Battery life is pretty good. Downsides: relatively bulky, pricey, no touchscreen or stylus input. (Upside of that: matt rather than glossy screen, which I think is difficult to combine with a touchscreen.)
- p1esk 9y agoWhy not go with 5k 27" monitor? http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/dell-up2715k-monitor http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/pdp/spd/dell-up2715k... Sure, it's over $1k, but if you're making $10k/mo writing code on it, then you should be able to afford it.
- shiftpgdn 9y agoMarginal Utility. A $400 27" 4k Ultrasharp isn't 1/3rd as good as a 5k 27" Ultrasharp.
- abiox 9y ago> if you're making $10k/mo writing code on it hah... if only the world was silicon valley.
- BoorishBears 9y agoI mean, even in SV after taxes is that really a common salary?
- xaqfox 9y agoA good (and easy to remember/no other affiliation) source for this data: https://displaylag.com/ https://displaylag.com/
- VeejayRampay 9y agoWe're using them at work, I'm very pleased with them. And the bang/buck ratio is great.