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> that [ip white list] would almost certainly become a public court document >> Why? If a medium sized company and was excluded, I imagine a law suite would be

> that [ip white list] would almost certainly become a public court document >> Why? If a medium sized company and was excluded, I imagine a law suite would be filed within hours. Any internet company not on the list would be in court just to survive. The first document in question would be the white ip list. That white ip list would never leave the courtroom (international headaches, federal districts courts, county courts then all the one offs: schools, .govs, .mils! -- ugh what a mess). This isn't a plan. > They've accomplished quite a lot: getting you to pay extra for a service that was previously included. Really? They win an extra fee of $10 on 0.5% of users? They can't do that now - just raise it now $10? Sure make it $20? I guess they can try to tell if you use a video source over a VPN - and haggle customers over video usage. Have millions of false positives. Ugh. ISPs shudder when you say "add more call centers." SO --- Hiring expensive tech fluent english customer service teams to hunt down VPNs (at $10 a pop) - sounds like a plan a board will almost certainly ditch. A call to my mother about her VPN using video traffic would take 17 phone calls and over 200 man hours. I don't think any of this is a money maker plan. Yeah when you logically break down the parts, I don't see ISPs gaining a thing but headache. But I do see ISP losing almost all their influence to VPN services.

pjc50 9y ago
On what grounds would you litigate? We're not talking about a ban here, it's just that if you're not part of the ISP "partner programme" you wouldn't be included on low-tier subscriptions and connections to your website would be either unreliable or get an ISP upsell banner. > haggle customers over video usage Just degrade it, enough to stop working. Have the connection dribble to a halt. All automated. Tech already built for China's Great Firewall. And obviously you don't call the customers, you have them call you, at which point you upsell them.
- ransom1538 9y ago
  > "On what grounds would you litigate?" Thousands of companies couldn't do business and no lawsuit? I don't see this happening. I could see everything from freedom of speech issues (newpapers, churches, private schools.. ), to freedom of commerce, Antitrust issues (my competitors blocked internet to), to political parties worried about their sites service, -- I would really need 10 white boards and 4 lawyers to map out thousands reasons. "The Antitrust Movement".[i] A more interesting current issue related(ish): [ii] [i] http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-16-2-b-rockefeller-and-the-standard-oil-monopoly.html http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-16-2-b-... [ii] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-linkedin-ruling/u-s-judge-says-linkedin-cannot-block-startup-from-public-profile-data-idUSKCN1AU2BV https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-linkedin-ruling... > Just degrade it, enough to stop working. Ok let's say we go as far as 'China's Great Firewall'. I worked with may chinese crews they just use VPNs through "ok'ed" lines just furthering my point.

pjc50 9y ago

On what grounds would you litigate? We're not talking about a ban here, it's just that if you're not part of the ISP "partner programme" you wouldn't be included on low-tier subscriptions and connections to your website would be either unreliable or get an ISP upsell banner. > haggle customers over video usage Just degrade it, enough to stop working. Have the connection dribble to a halt. All automated. Tech already built for China's Great Firewall. And obviously you don't call the customers, you have them call you, at which point you upsell them.

ransom1538 9y ago
> "On what grounds would you litigate?" Thousands of companies couldn't do business and no lawsuit? I don't see this happening. I could see everything from freedom of speech issues (newpapers, churches, private schools.. ), to freedom of commerce, Antitrust issues (my competitors blocked internet to), to political parties worried about their sites service, -- I would really need 10 white boards and 4 lawyers to map out thousands reasons. "The Antitrust Movement".[i] A more interesting current issue related(ish): [ii] [i] http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-16-2-b-rockefeller-and-the-standard-oil-monopoly.html http://www.crf-usa.org/bill-of-rights-in-action/bria-16-2-b-... [ii] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-linkedin-ruling/u-s-judge-says-linkedin-cannot-block-startup-from-public-profile-data-idUSKCN1AU2BV https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-linkedin-ruling... > Just degrade it, enough to stop working. Ok let's say we go as far as 'China's Great Firewall'. I worked with may chinese crews they just use VPNs through "ok'ed" lines just furthering my point.