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The data speaks for itself but I'm trying to perceive any latency in my Firefox (win10) and unable to. Typing seems instantaneous to me. I hate the milliseconds

The data speaks for itself but I'm trying to perceive any latency in my Firefox (win10) and unable to. Typing seems instantaneous to me. I hate the milliseconds the start menu takes to animate though. Win7 start was instant.

jackmott 9y ago
> Typing seems instantaneous to me. When the only source of latency is the extra ~16ms added by the composting, you likely can't feel it, but it adds up to other sources of latency that can make things feel bad more often. Such as: -latency added by text editors depending on their quality and the amount of work they are doing (colors, intellisense, file size, etc). -latency added by keyboards, some are worse than others -latency added by monitors. Good ones are in the 1ms range but bad ones can be as high as 40 Sadly the latency on all of these fronts has generally been trending higher as computers have gotten more powerful.
malbertife 9y ago
What I hate even more is when I press the Windows key and start typing an application's name into the Start menu textbox, and it misses the first two or three keypresses.
- ben-schaaf 9y ago
  As a comparison point, gnome 3 does the right thing and buffers the input until it can handle it. On an old machine I usually have the full name typed out and enter pressed before any animation actually starts being displayed.
  - phkahler 9y ago
    How about they disable animation when windows are activated by keyboard? Or just disable it entirely ;-)
- kevingadd 9y ago
  That's weird, I don't have that problem. What build of Win10 are you running? I wonder if it depends on the kind of keyboard you're using.
  - dingo_bat 9y ago
    I think it somehow depends on whether the OS is installed on a spinning disk or an SSD. I know it's stupid but this is my theory based on observation. Would love for someone to verify it.
    - malbertife 9y ago
      I'm sure a spinning disk would make it worse, but I do have an SSD (admittedly, a 2013 model and not the fastest). To answer the grandparent, build 15063 and I'm using the laptop keyboard. I tried a few times and I can consistently make Windows miss at least the first keypress if I haven't opened the Start menu in a few minutes.
zaarn 9y ago
From my experience latency is rarely bad when it's very very consistent. After some time the brain compensates. I do recall playing World of Tanks with a 800ms Ping. After about 3 months or so I was back to thinking there was no Ping until a problem with my ISP was fixed and I dropped to 8ms. After which I ran into walls a lot. The brain can adapt to such things rather well, given enough time.
- qplex 9y ago
  I agree with you about consistency but 792ms is something though! I remember when we upgraded from a 28.8k modem to ISDN. My Quake got a lot better purely because of lower latency. A friend was left behind on modem and he could tell the difference too, I was virtually unbeatable to him after the upgrade. Of course we both knew that it was down to an unfair advantage so it wasn't a true victory.

jackmott 9y ago

> Typing seems instantaneous to me. When the only source of latency is the extra ~16ms added by the composting, you likely can't feel it, but it adds up to other sources of latency that can make things feel bad more often. Such as: -latency added by text editors depending on their quality and the amount of work they are doing (colors, intellisense, file size, etc). -latency added by keyboards, some are worse than others -latency added by monitors. Good ones are in the 1ms range but bad ones can be as high as 40 Sadly the latency on all of these fronts has generally been trending higher as computers have gotten more powerful.

malbertife 9y ago

What I hate even more is when I press the Windows key and start typing an application's name into the Start menu textbox, and it misses the first two or three keypresses.

ben-schaaf 9y ago
As a comparison point, gnome 3 does the right thing and buffers the input until it can handle it. On an old machine I usually have the full name typed out and enter pressed before any animation actually starts being displayed.
- phkahler 9y ago
  How about they disable animation when windows are activated by keyboard? Or just disable it entirely ;-)
kevingadd 9y ago
That's weird, I don't have that problem. What build of Win10 are you running? I wonder if it depends on the kind of keyboard you're using.
- dingo_bat 9y ago
  I think it somehow depends on whether the OS is installed on a spinning disk or an SSD. I know it's stupid but this is my theory based on observation. Would love for someone to verify it.
  - malbertife 9y ago
    I'm sure a spinning disk would make it worse, but I do have an SSD (admittedly, a 2013 model and not the fastest). To answer the grandparent, build 15063 and I'm using the laptop keyboard. I tried a few times and I can consistently make Windows miss at least the first keypress if I haven't opened the Start menu in a few minutes.

zaarn 9y ago

From my experience latency is rarely bad when it's very very consistent. After some time the brain compensates. I do recall playing World of Tanks with a 800ms Ping. After about 3 months or so I was back to thinking there was no Ping until a problem with my ISP was fixed and I dropped to 8ms. After which I ran into walls a lot. The brain can adapt to such things rather well, given enough time.

qplex 9y ago
I agree with you about consistency but 792ms is something though! I remember when we upgraded from a 28.8k modem to ISDN. My Quake got a lot better purely because of lower latency. A friend was left behind on modem and he could tell the difference too, I was virtually unbeatable to him after the upgrade. Of course we both knew that it was down to an unfair advantage so it wasn't a true victory.