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Two years before I was born there were 4000+ cases of children with polio in the area near where my parents lived. By the time I was born polio was basically go

Two years before I was born there were 4000+ cases of children with polio in the area near where my parents lived. By the time I was born polio was basically gone due to the vaccine being introduced. People who don't vaccinate their children should visit one of these folks.

dna_polymerase 9y ago
People who don't vaccinate their children should get their children taken away from them. Not vaccinating does not only affect your child but everyone around them. It's a risk to public health.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > People who don't vaccinate their children should get their children taken away from them. No, their children should be vaccinated by temporarily assuming control and returning them after that's done. To take children away from their parents permanently is cruel, both to the children and to the parents if the only thing wrong is that they do not vaccinate their children. Your solution is excessive and does a lot of harm where none is needed. Even on a relative scale your solution does harm: assume that if a parent would not vaccinate their children the harm is basically the chance that they would contract some disease versus the immediate and real harm that you are proposing, the latter being in most cases clearly much larger than the former.
- scandox 9y ago
  I am absolutely 100% pro-vaccination. Have had both my children vaccinated. That said I have seen firsthand how the exact attitude you express drives people into the other camp. You cannot go around casually suggesting taking people's children away. We must encourage dialog and facts. We must engage with people on a basis of respect - even if it is a combatative respect. High handedness and vocal repression do not work. If you believe legislative enforcement is the way to go then you can advocate for that. But don't start bandying about speculative punishments.
- autokad 9y ago
  i myself would get vaccinated, but people who don't vaccinate are mostly not vaccinating for much less severe diseases. we dont vaccinate for polio anymore. I'm curious to how you feel about illegal immigration. because i find this interesting duality where people who think 'vacers' should have their children taken away from them are also ok with illegal immigration. which is a bit ironic, considering that illegal immigrants outnumber 'vacers' by a large amount, and they are not vaccinated.
  - alistairSH 9y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  - fra 9y ago
    In fact, we still do vaccinate for polio in the united states. The CDC recommends all newborn be vaccinated in the first two years of life.
    - autokad 9y ago
      you are right, I think I confused it with another vaccination, maybe small pox

dna_polymerase 9y ago

People who don't vaccinate their children should get their children taken away from them. Not vaccinating does not only affect your child but everyone around them. It's a risk to public health.

jacquesm 9y ago
> People who don't vaccinate their children should get their children taken away from them. No, their children should be vaccinated by temporarily assuming control and returning them after that's done. To take children away from their parents permanently is cruel, both to the children and to the parents if the only thing wrong is that they do not vaccinate their children. Your solution is excessive and does a lot of harm where none is needed. Even on a relative scale your solution does harm: assume that if a parent would not vaccinate their children the harm is basically the chance that they would contract some disease versus the immediate and real harm that you are proposing, the latter being in most cases clearly much larger than the former.
scandox 9y ago
I am absolutely 100% pro-vaccination. Have had both my children vaccinated. That said I have seen firsthand how the exact attitude you express drives people into the other camp. You cannot go around casually suggesting taking people's children away. We must encourage dialog and facts. We must engage with people on a basis of respect - even if it is a combatative respect. High handedness and vocal repression do not work. If you believe legislative enforcement is the way to go then you can advocate for that. But don't start bandying about speculative punishments.
autokad 9y ago
i myself would get vaccinated, but people who don't vaccinate are mostly not vaccinating for much less severe diseases. we dont vaccinate for polio anymore. I'm curious to how you feel about illegal immigration. because i find this interesting duality where people who think 'vacers' should have their children taken away from them are also ok with illegal immigration. which is a bit ironic, considering that illegal immigrants outnumber 'vacers' by a large amount, and they are not vaccinated.
- alistairSH 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- fra 9y ago
  In fact, we still do vaccinate for polio in the united states. The CDC recommends all newborn be vaccinated in the first two years of life.
  - autokad 9y ago
    you are right, I think I confused it with another vaccination, maybe small pox