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Use cryptography to solve problems not legislation. Net Neutrality means nothing on Tor because nobody can be identified via their link connection.
by krisives 9y ago
Use cryptography to solve problems not legislation. Net Neutrality means nothing on Tor because nobody can be identified via their link connection.
- n4r9 9y agoIf lots of ordinary people started using Tor, then perhaps this would solve something. Until then, ISPs will just throttle "unidentified" connections along with anything not coming from Netflix, Amazon etc... .
- krisives 9y agoProperly configured Tor connections look like regular HTTPS connections on port 443 otherwise most who need it couldn't use it without getting thrown into "re-education camps" Also I'm not talking about using Tor to connect to "regular HTTPS" sites like Amazon or Netflix where they see you as some special citizen of the Internet (one they don't like) I'm talking about things like Hidden Services where there is no external gap between networks being exploited.
- n4r9 9y agoI wonder if one or both of us is missing the point here. The concern is that ISPs will throttle all traffic which they don't recognise as being served from a big-name domain (Netflix, Amazon, Facebook...). In such a situation, if I use an ordinary https connection to watch my favourite Netflix shows, then they won't throttle me. But if I do anything through Tor, then they will.
- krisives 9y agoMy point is that on a network with onion routing you have nothing to block. You are mixing the two networks that's a separate issue.
- n4r9 9y agoBased on this and your other comments, it sounds like you're suggesting running the entire Internet on a cryptographic protocol like onion-routing. Am I right? This still isn't a practical solution to the problem at hand. Most people want to watch a lot of streamed video, which isn't doable over a Tor-like network in the foreseeable future. Also, it would be impossible to get the support of the internet giants, without which I don't know how you could do this. They've invested a lot into being able to see and analyse almost everyone that's using their service.
- pjc50 9y agoOn Tor, everything is slow. And quite a lot of sites ban you because the anonymity tends to be used to cause trouble.
- krisives 9y agoTor websites (hidden services) cannot ban you because they cannot identify you via your link connection (this was the point of my original comment) Just because the current Internet was built with IP addresses etc. for the 1970's doesn't mean it has to stay that way and Tor has proven you can at least solve the NN problem with onion routing.
- wepple 9y agoThey’ll just slow all Tor connections, unless you pay $50 for the “Tor+ bundle”
- krisives 9y agoMy comment is describing how an Internet that works more like Tor and uses onion-routing is immune to censorship because you cannot identify the link address - aka no IP address to identify. You cannot "just slow all Tor connections" when everything is a Tor connection is my point.