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There is zero difference between "opinionated" reporting and state-sponsored propaganda since both are pushing an opinion from a point of view. When you start i

There is zero difference between "opinionated" reporting and state-sponsored propaganda since both are pushing an opinion from a point of view. When you start injecting opinions it is no longer reporting. I'd say that Google is more of a propaganda engine than RT since Google has an order of magnitude more money and power than RT does. Propaganda both foreign and domestic should be treated the same if we are going to start censoring or injecting opinions on top of what other people say.

speedplane 9y ago
> There is zero difference between "opinionated" reporting and state-sponsored propaganda Some differences: - Governments have far more power and resources to skew the narrative. - Governments are less accountable than any private individual or organization. Organizations are at least accountable to shareholders, the rule of law, and the government they operate under. - Domestic organizations are at least ostensibly committed to maintaining the system, many foreign governments literally want to tear the system down. - Governments have a historical track-record of tyranny, and have generally caused more harm than private organizations.
- bobcallme 9y ago
  > - Governments have far more power and resources to skew the narrative. s/Government have/Google has/g > Governments are less accountable than any private individual or organization. Organizations are at least accountable to shareholders, the rule of law, and the government they operate under. Again s/Governments/Organizations/g > - Domestic organizations are at least ostensibly committed to maintaining the system, many foreign governments literally want to tear the system down. Based upon what? Is that any justification for propaganda? Both Facebook and Google are both domestic entities and look at all of the polarization and discord that they have caused this election cycle. > - Governments have a historical track-record of tyranny, and have generally caused more harm than private organizations. In this era, the source of tyranny is private corporations that grant themselves monopolies with red tape and further regulations that make competition impossible. I guess based upon your arguments, we should grant private corporations a monopoly on speech.
  - speedplane 9y ago
    What is s/g?
    - speedplane 9y ago
      Ha... seriously, you're using sed to make arguments for you? Not gonna argue with algorithms.
      - jessaustin 9y ago
        That is standard discourse on HN... perhaps you would be more comfortable in the comment section for a popular magazine or your local newspaper?
        wybiral 9y ago
        Why the continuous personal jabs instead of just explaining something or contributing to the conversation in a positive manner?
        speedplane 9y ago
        I haven't seen it, but maybe I'm not running HN comments through bash. Regardless, your sed arguments (if you can call them that) make no sense. They just restate your original premise that organizations are the same as governments, ignoring the several points I raised.

speedplane 9y ago

> There is zero difference between "opinionated" reporting and state-sponsored propaganda Some differences: - Governments have far more power and resources to skew the narrative. - Governments are less accountable than any private individual or organization. Organizations are at least accountable to shareholders, the rule of law, and the government they operate under. - Domestic organizations are at least ostensibly committed to maintaining the system, many foreign governments literally want to tear the system down. - Governments have a historical track-record of tyranny, and have generally caused more harm than private organizations.

bobcallme 9y ago
> - Governments have far more power and resources to skew the narrative. s/Government have/Google has/g > Governments are less accountable than any private individual or organization. Organizations are at least accountable to shareholders, the rule of law, and the government they operate under. Again s/Governments/Organizations/g > - Domestic organizations are at least ostensibly committed to maintaining the system, many foreign governments literally want to tear the system down. Based upon what? Is that any justification for propaganda? Both Facebook and Google are both domestic entities and look at all of the polarization and discord that they have caused this election cycle. > - Governments have a historical track-record of tyranny, and have generally caused more harm than private organizations. In this era, the source of tyranny is private corporations that grant themselves monopolies with red tape and further regulations that make competition impossible. I guess based upon your arguments, we should grant private corporations a monopoly on speech.
- speedplane 9y ago
  What is s/g?
  - speedplane 9y ago
    Ha... seriously, you're using sed to make arguments for you? Not gonna argue with algorithms.
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      That is standard discourse on HN... perhaps you would be more comfortable in the comment section for a popular magazine or your local newspaper?
      - wybiral 9y ago
        Why the continuous personal jabs instead of just explaining something or contributing to the conversation in a positive manner?
      - speedplane 9y ago
        I haven't seen it, but maybe I'm not running HN comments through bash. Regardless, your sed arguments (if you can call them that) make no sense. They just restate your original premise that organizations are the same as governments, ignoring the several points I raised.