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> Generally speaking, what US ISPs want to do nowadays is honestly not toooo much different from what I experienced literally 10 years ago. An ISP does a deal w

> Generally speaking, what US ISPs want to do nowadays is honestly not toooo much different from what I experienced literally 10 years ago. An ISP does a deal with Netflix, then I install today's equivalent of the "movie pack" and I can stream as much Netflix as I want. Cool; that honestly doesn't seem that radical. The practical advantages make a lot of sense to me technically and I see the whole thing as pretty benign as I've experienced it and I'm still alive to tell the story. I considered "experiencing" the same thing around the same time, but decided it wasn't worth the money for the limited experience. There are about 5 sites that I know I'll visit daily, and a few dozen that will change day to day. I don't want to pay less and have access to only a subset of the internet (talking about more than just the web). Look at TV. It's a fucking wasteland, compared to the internet. No dark shady corners, no half-forgotten back alleyways to discover. A whole lot of mass-appeal crap, and not much else. There's a lot to lose. Is there anything to gain? The things that I do already work the way I'd like them to. If my ISP gave me the option for a discount to accept prioritization of access to their business partners, I'd reject it; I don't believe it's in my best interest. I don't see a valuable gain for rejecting net neutrality. I see the internet sliding into a gutter of uselessness.

exikyut 9y ago
> I don't want to pay less and have access to only a subset of the internet (talking about more than just the web). Here's the thing. The Web - HTML/JS/CSS/etc - is the largest legacy installation of anything, anywhere. The complexity of JS, and the fact that we can do anything with it protocol-wise (WebSockets, XHR, _especially_ WebRTC+SCTP, etc), has guaranteed that the Internet in its current form cannot go anywhere anytime soon. And I've just described the Web. Inter-bank transfers use SFTP. Literally every non-braindead company has a VPN. IP<->IP is going to live literally forever. So this model is effectively safe. Now I've just described corporate/server use. A few years ago satellite set-top boxes were using dialup (AFAIK) to feed back vote results and do the payment<->key-exchange handshake for pay-per-view. That's legacy satellite equipment, which is admittedly on the way out. Well, I had an ECG done a while back and _it_ used a modem (over POTS) too (the RJ11 for the phone was connected, the RJ45 for a LAN was not). And that device looked pretty new, too. Well, it looked pretty modern, in any case; it had a dot-matrix monochrome LCD, the kind that you can see redraw slowly if you look at them from the right angle. But it probably went through 5 years of evaluations and approvals so that makes sense. I completely forgot back to base alarm systems. Oh and "connected" car alarm systems too. And the SIMs in GPS trackers... We have all manner of wired and wireless connections being used for an irreplaceable plethora of stuff. P2P and "get out there and talk" has existed since the days of CB radios. The Internet is just an extension of that. -- Regarding TV, I'm reminded of reading about someone who spent a few years in the 90s and ~2000-2003 (I think) digging around the satellite spectrum and recording stuff to tapes. He did a documentary-type thing and put it on youtube. I unfortunately can't remember what it was called :( -- The more I look at things, the more I see that the internet will go back to being the domain of people who are technically inclined. That's already happening to a small extent with Tor. The only major difference this time is that the technically-inclined curious types will have higher chances of getting caught in crossfire from nearby unsavory groups they happen to be too close to without realizing it (my sentiment here comes from the SMTP blocks that happened a few years ago where if you were even in the same IP range as someone in a botnet you'd endup on a DNSBL somewhere, but in this case I think this one'll be more of a mindset thing).

exikyut 9y ago

> I don't want to pay less and have access to only a subset of the internet (talking about more than just the web). Here's the thing. The Web - HTML/JS/CSS/etc - is the largest legacy installation of anything, anywhere. The complexity of JS, and the fact that we can do anything with it protocol-wise (WebSockets, XHR, _especially_ WebRTC+SCTP, etc), has guaranteed that the Internet in its current form cannot go anywhere anytime soon. And I've just described the Web. Inter-bank transfers use SFTP. Literally every non-braindead company has a VPN. IP<->IP is going to live literally forever. So this model is effectively safe. Now I've just described corporate/server use. A few years ago satellite set-top boxes were using dialup (AFAIK) to feed back vote results and do the payment<->key-exchange handshake for pay-per-view. That's legacy satellite equipment, which is admittedly on the way out. Well, I had an ECG done a while back and _it_ used a modem (over POTS) too (the RJ11 for the phone was connected, the RJ45 for a LAN was not). And that device looked pretty new, too. Well, it looked pretty modern, in any case; it had a dot-matrix monochrome LCD, the kind that you can see redraw slowly if you look at them from the right angle. But it probably went through 5 years of evaluations and approvals so that makes sense. I completely forgot back to base alarm systems. Oh and "connected" car alarm systems too. And the SIMs in GPS trackers... We have all manner of wired and wireless connections being used for an irreplaceable plethora of stuff. P2P and "get out there and talk" has existed since the days of CB radios. The Internet is just an extension of that. -- Regarding TV, I'm reminded of reading about someone who spent a few years in the 90s and ~2000-2003 (I think) digging around the satellite spectrum and recording stuff to tapes. He did a documentary-type thing and put it on youtube. I unfortunately can't remember what it was called :( -- The more I look at things, the more I see that the internet will go back to being the domain of people who are technically inclined. That's already happening to a small extent with Tor. The only major difference this time is that the technically-inclined curious types will have higher chances of getting caught in crossfire from nearby unsavory groups they happen to be too close to without realizing it (my sentiment here comes from the SMTP blocks that happened a few years ago where if you were even in the same IP range as someone in a botnet you'd endup on a DNSBL somewhere, but in this case I think this one'll be more of a mindset thing).