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Why Uber's pursuing a driverless model just baffles me. This quote is for 24,000 cars for around $1.4 billion, or around $58,000 per vehicle. Even if we assum
by femto113 9y ago
Why Uber's pursuing a driverless model just baffles me. This quote is for 24,000 cars for around $1.4 billion, or around $58,000 per vehicle. Even if we assume 0 financing cost the car would need to earn over $58,000 in its lifetime to be more profitable for Uber to buy one of these than to continue to pay a driver. Current Uber drivers estimate their profit to be around $0.40 per mile[1] which means each driverless vehicle would need to drive about 150,000 miles just to break even.
Let's guess driving that much that takes about 2 years[2]--if you assume a conservative 1 technician per 50 vehicles[3] to maintain these you also have 2% of their salary * 2 years (say another $3K). Throw in another $1000 for tabs etc, $1500 for the labor for a couple hundred car washes[4], $1000+ for losses related to crashes[5], $500 for parts and maintenance[6] and we're easily at another $7K+ in costs that have to come out of Uber's existing share.
[1] https://therideshareguy.com/how-to-calculate-per-mile-earnings-instead-of-per-hour/ https://therideshareguy.com/how-to-calculate-per-mile-earnin...
(This is for a 43MPG Prius, with ~$0.06/mile of depreciation. I exclude the depreciation for the calculation above, but need to add back in a similar amount for the difference in MPG.)
[2] https://bizfluent.com/info-8446407-many-cab-driver-drive-yearly.html https://bizfluent.com/info-8446407-many-cab-driver-drive-yea...
Estimates of how many miles per year a single taxi gets driven range here from ~40,000 to ~90,000, so 75K/year seems plausible for a fully autonomous vehicle.
[3] http://www.government-fleet.com/channel/maintenance/article/story/2011/01/how-to-calculate-technician-to-vehicle-ratios.aspx http://www.government-fleet.com/channel/maintenance/article/...
(This seems very conservative to me, consider for example that Hertz has about 1 employee per 13 cars.)
[4] https://uberpeople.net/threads/how-often-do-you-have-to-wash-your-uber-car.152854/ https://uberpeople.net/threads/how-often-do-you-have-to-wash...
[5] Estimated from average of 1 claim per 18 years per driver and $7500 in cost per accident
https://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2011/07/27/how-many-times-will-you-crash-your-car/#6a1805644e62 https://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2011/07/27/how-man...
http://www.tavss.com/library/va-nc-lawyer-economic-and-comprehensive-auto-accident-costs.cfm http://www.tavss.com/library/va-nc-lawyer-economic-and-compr...
[6] https://www.yourmechanic.com/estimates/volvo https://www.yourmechanic.com/estimates/volvo
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- danblick 9y agoNice references! Might be better to start with the cost paid by the customer to Uber rather than just the driver's cut of it? "In San Francisco the fare is $2.20 plus $0.26 per minute plus $1.30 per mile. In New York City the fare is $3 plus $0.40 per minute plus $2.15 per mile."
- femto113 9y agoThat's not relevant because it doesn't change under a driverless system. Uber already gets "their" cut. The change is that Uber gains as costs what the driver would have paid to own, maintain, and operate the vehicle, and gains as an income what it would have paid the driver. The "driver profit per mile" nicely factors those things together.
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