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It's what we should do with North Korea. Drop enormous quantities of food everywhere. So much more effective than just propaganda or bombs. Although you coul

It's what we should do with North Korea. Drop enormous quantities of food everywhere. So much more effective than just propaganda or bombs. Although you could drop small video players with some relevant material on sdcard.

OoooooooO 9y ago
Afaik they drop usb sticks with south korea tv shows / american tv shows / chinese tv shows over NK because a lot of people (especially in the border region to china) have dvd/usb player even if illegal and risk of concentration camp for their family + 2 generations of their family. https://nypost.com/2017/03/17/importing-hope-into-north-korea-one-usb-drive-at-a-time/ https://nypost.com/2017/03/17/importing-hope-into-north-kore... https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/ https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/ http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/datenschmuggel-geheimwaffe-gegen-nordkorea-alte-usb-sticks-1.2859324 http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/datenschmuggel-geheimwaff... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/flashdrives-for-freedom-north-korea-20000-usb-sticks https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/flashdrives-fo... Thought that was common knowledge nowaydays.
HT-1 9y ago
> Although you could drop small video players with some relevant material on sdcard. https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/ https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/
- tuna-piano 9y ago
  Full episode is worth a watch, but at 8m5s (linked) you can see normal citizens launching baloons over to North Korea with flash drives, money, etc. On the flash drives? South Korean soap operas, the movie The Interview (actually not on this balloon launch), etc. https://youtu.be/Mhj4rH13eoc?t=8m5s https://youtu.be/Mhj4rH13eoc?t=8m5s
- omgbananas 9y ago
  That's an interesting cause. Is it legal for a United States citizen to participate?
Overtonwindow 9y ago
This reminds me of all of the HIV medication, and malaria drugs we send to horridly poor dictatorships of the world. They're intercepted by the government and sold on the black market. If you feed the North Korean people with massive food drops, Kim will say it's his doing. Drop video players to them with cards, and they will slaughter everyone in a village just for having one. Food would be nice, medicine would be better, all labeled with the American flag, and after five years of this the brainwashed people might, might see America as a savior.
- emmelaich 9y ago
  If you do it at a large enough scale it will be impossible to collect it all and it will completely destroy the North Korean military's morale. They won't be able to claim it as theirs because you'd label all the food in English and Korean. With a picture of people of different ethnicities hold hands and smiling. Oh, also you'd drop appropriate medicine as well, because many NK's are riddled with parasites.
  - ci5er 9y ago
    > If you do it at a large enough scale it will be impossible to collect it all and it will completely destroy the North Korean military's morale. Again - do we have any evidence that this might be true? From what I understand, the NorK true believers are actually true believers. I have a friend, nominally intelligent, who has decided to become a flat-earther. (I don't know why). He is immune to evidence at this point. It's the weirdest thing you ever did see. Do we have any evidence that the NorK military would be any different? FWIW - I do admire your optimism.
    - Overtonwindow 9y ago
      I started to write something about dropping massive amounts of LDS on the North Korean people, and Kim Jong-Un looking like the stay puff marshmallow man, but I digress... It's a tough choice. Dropping large amounts might get military action. Kim could say it's food today, but they will start dropping poison to look like food. The medicine is ok now, but it will be poison next! Shoot it down! Burn it! I think these poor folks are so brainwashed it will take a long time of systematic kindness to make a dent.
ci5er 9y ago
> So much more effective than just propaganda or bombs. Do we have any evidence that this is true? (Of course, we'd have to agree on what our objectives are) > Although you could drop small video players with some relevant material on sdcard. I'm assuming that the intended recipients could re-charge these video playback devices? It's not clear to me that possession wouldn't be considered the equivalent of a stoning offense. Certainly that's the way Pol Pot would have dealt with it. And killed everyone who didn't tattle on the viewer-holder in the first place too...

OoooooooO 9y ago

Afaik they drop usb sticks with south korea tv shows / american tv shows / chinese tv shows over NK because a lot of people (especially in the border region to china) have dvd/usb player even if illegal and risk of concentration camp for their family + 2 generations of their family. https://nypost.com/2017/03/17/importing-hope-into-north-korea-one-usb-drive-at-a-time/ https://nypost.com/2017/03/17/importing-hope-into-north-kore... https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/ https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/ http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/datenschmuggel-geheimwaffe-gegen-nordkorea-alte-usb-sticks-1.2859324 http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/datenschmuggel-geheimwaff... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/flashdrives-for-freedom-north-korea-20000-usb-sticks https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/flashdrives-fo... Thought that was common knowledge nowaydays.

HT-1 9y ago

> Although you could drop small video players with some relevant material on sdcard. https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/ https://flashdrivesforfreedom.com/

tuna-piano 9y ago
Full episode is worth a watch, but at 8m5s (linked) you can see normal citizens launching baloons over to North Korea with flash drives, money, etc. On the flash drives? South Korean soap operas, the movie The Interview (actually not on this balloon launch), etc. https://youtu.be/Mhj4rH13eoc?t=8m5s https://youtu.be/Mhj4rH13eoc?t=8m5s
omgbananas 9y ago
That's an interesting cause. Is it legal for a United States citizen to participate?

Overtonwindow 9y ago

This reminds me of all of the HIV medication, and malaria drugs we send to horridly poor dictatorships of the world. They're intercepted by the government and sold on the black market. If you feed the North Korean people with massive food drops, Kim will say it's his doing. Drop video players to them with cards, and they will slaughter everyone in a village just for having one. Food would be nice, medicine would be better, all labeled with the American flag, and after five years of this the brainwashed people might, might see America as a savior.

emmelaich 9y ago
If you do it at a large enough scale it will be impossible to collect it all and it will completely destroy the North Korean military's morale. They won't be able to claim it as theirs because you'd label all the food in English and Korean. With a picture of people of different ethnicities hold hands and smiling. Oh, also you'd drop appropriate medicine as well, because many NK's are riddled with parasites.
- ci5er 9y ago
  > If you do it at a large enough scale it will be impossible to collect it all and it will completely destroy the North Korean military's morale. Again - do we have any evidence that this might be true? From what I understand, the NorK true believers are actually true believers. I have a friend, nominally intelligent, who has decided to become a flat-earther. (I don't know why). He is immune to evidence at this point. It's the weirdest thing you ever did see. Do we have any evidence that the NorK military would be any different? FWIW - I do admire your optimism.
  - Overtonwindow 9y ago
    I started to write something about dropping massive amounts of LDS on the North Korean people, and Kim Jong-Un looking like the stay puff marshmallow man, but I digress... It's a tough choice. Dropping large amounts might get military action. Kim could say it's food today, but they will start dropping poison to look like food. The medicine is ok now, but it will be poison next! Shoot it down! Burn it! I think these poor folks are so brainwashed it will take a long time of systematic kindness to make a dent.

ci5er 9y ago

> So much more effective than just propaganda or bombs. Do we have any evidence that this is true? (Of course, we'd have to agree on what our objectives are) > Although you could drop small video players with some relevant material on sdcard. I'm assuming that the intended recipients could re-charge these video playback devices? It's not clear to me that possession wouldn't be considered the equivalent of a stoning offense. Certainly that's the way Pol Pot would have dealt with it. And killed everyone who didn't tattle on the viewer-holder in the first place too...