Hi- I'm sorry if my comment above was too inflammatory - I meant to point out that both teachers & students are put in a difficult situation. The comment was s

Hi- I'm sorry if my comment above was too inflammatory - I meant to point out that both teachers & students are put in a difficult situation. The comment was specifically worded to target the 'education industry' (the profiteers who take advantage of student loans, which the submitted link is about), not the country's individual schools. 75 days ago I commented about an excellent teacher I had: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15181176 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15181176 After I posted my little comment this morning, I took off on a road trip. NPR was rebroadcasting last Friday's show on the Ted Radio Hour. This week's episode was titled Simple Solutions [0]. Part 2 was "Sam Kass: Can Free Breakfast Improve Learning?" [1]. Part 3 was "Wendy Troxel: Does High School Start Too Early?" [2]. Apparently little things like improving the odds that all students are fed and rested can dramatically improve students' school experiences. But that doesn't fix the structural problem, which is... > For the majority, you really have to force them to learn algebra and the 'boring but important as hell' stuff. No no no no no. My dad's high school friend taught shop class. Some of his students loved his class, others would have rather been anywhere else ("Baking"), but shop was the only class that fit in their schedule. Forcing children to take "important" classes that they don't care about is a good way to elicit apathy. I think John Gatto said "nothing of value to the individual happens through force." Gatto has some good insights. See my earlier comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15693047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15693047 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14425760 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14425760 > Third, classroom time is not prison for children. If your kid thinks it is, find another school or talk to the teacher and the admin. School was a prison for me, and I was good at it. Thanks for your post. [0] https://www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/564577402/simple-solutions?showDate=2017-11-17 https://www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/564577402/simple... [1] https://www.ted.com/talks/sam_kass_want_to_teach_kids_well_feed_them_well https://www.ted.com/talks/sam_kass_want_to_teach_kids_well_f... [2] https://www.ted.com/talks/wendy_troxel_why_school_should_start_later_for_teens https://www.ted.com/talks/wendy_troxel_why_school_should_sta...