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If I wanted to modernize IRC today, I would focus on Matrix. https://matrix.org/docs/spec/ https://matrix.org/docs/spec/

folknor 9y ago
The link seems to describe IRC as it exists today, and does not appear to be an attempt to modernize IRC. Quoting from https://modern.ircdocs.horse/ https://modern.ircdocs.horse/ This document intends to be a useful overview and reference of the IRC client protocol as it is implemented today.
throwaway2016a 9y ago
The title is a bit misleading. This is a documentation of current best practices / de factor standards in IRC. It's not a proposal on how to make IRC better. Thanks for the link to matrix.org though.
- danieloaks 9y ago
  Yeah, I admit the title's not great. I'll update it in the next few days, thanks for the feedback :)
ancarda 9y ago
What about IRCv3? http://ircv3.net http://ircv3.net
- danieloaks 9y ago
  This project (ircdocs) works in tandem with IRCv3. ircdocs tends to focus on currently-implemented stuff (such as the linked Modern docs), where v3 focuses more on establishing rough consensus around new specifications and features.
jaequery 9y ago
i wish matrix was written in something like elixir or go instead of python. matrix/riot is indeed a good attempt but if you are going to modernize it, it makes sense to use a modern stack to keep up with the times.
- voxadam 9y ago
  Matrix refers to a specification, not an implementation. There is nothing stopping you, or anyone, from implementing a Matrix server in whatever language you'd like. In fact, there is already a server being implemented in Go called Dendrite,[1] another called Ruma[2] that is being implemented in Rust, a "WIP toy" Elixir implementation called Matrex,[3] as well as others.[4] [1] https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite [2] https://github.com/ruma/ruma https://github.com/ruma/ruma [3] https://github.com/bismark/matrex https://github.com/bismark/matrex [4] https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers
- Samis2001 9y ago
  Python's a modern stack in any reasonable definition of the word. Just because it doesn't use $TRENDY_LANGUAGES doesn't make it 'not modern'.
zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
Yeah, let's add more bloat, so much bloat in fact that even the spec is breaking standards, and then let's add a bunch of ambiguity so we are guaranteed a mess of incompatible implementations right from the start, that's just brilliant!

folknor 9y ago

The link seems to describe IRC as it exists today, and does not appear to be an attempt to modernize IRC. Quoting from https://modern.ircdocs.horse/ https://modern.ircdocs.horse/ This document intends to be a useful overview and reference of the IRC client protocol as it is implemented today.

throwaway2016a 9y ago

The title is a bit misleading. This is a documentation of current best practices / de factor standards in IRC. It's not a proposal on how to make IRC better. Thanks for the link to matrix.org though.

danieloaks 9y ago
Yeah, I admit the title's not great. I'll update it in the next few days, thanks for the feedback :)

ancarda 9y ago

What about IRCv3? http://ircv3.net http://ircv3.net

danieloaks 9y ago
This project (ircdocs) works in tandem with IRCv3. ircdocs tends to focus on currently-implemented stuff (such as the linked Modern docs), where v3 focuses more on establishing rough consensus around new specifications and features.

jaequery 9y ago

i wish matrix was written in something like elixir or go instead of python. matrix/riot is indeed a good attempt but if you are going to modernize it, it makes sense to use a modern stack to keep up with the times.

voxadam 9y ago
Matrix refers to a specification, not an implementation. There is nothing stopping you, or anyone, from implementing a Matrix server in whatever language you'd like. In fact, there is already a server being implemented in Go called Dendrite,[1] another called Ruma[2] that is being implemented in Rust, a "WIP toy" Elixir implementation called Matrex,[3] as well as others.[4] [1] https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite [2] https://github.com/ruma/ruma https://github.com/ruma/ruma [3] https://github.com/bismark/matrex https://github.com/bismark/matrex [4] https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers
Samis2001 9y ago
Python's a modern stack in any reasonable definition of the word. Just because it doesn't use $TRENDY_LANGUAGES doesn't make it 'not modern'.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago

Yeah, let's add more bloat, so much bloat in fact that even the spec is breaking standards, and then let's add a bunch of ambiguity so we are guaranteed a mess of incompatible implementations right from the start, that's just brilliant!