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People keep on blaming women, asking "why didn't she come forward earlier". Simultaneously, many women HAVE gone to the police and the police have ignored them.

People keep on blaming women, asking "why didn't she come forward earlier". Simultaneously, many women HAVE gone to the police and the police have ignored them. Often times, cases where women came to the police and were ignored come to light only after many years. Don't you think that these maters should be solved in public so that at least it is publicly known that an accusation has been made?

corndoge 9y ago
I didn't blame women, and no I don't. Innocent until proven guilty. Hate all you want after the verdict comes in and not before.
- tptacek 9y ago
  That's absolutely not how reputation works. Your logic is easily flipped onto its back: if they're lying, they're doing horrific damage to him. Why is he not suing? We know why he's not suing, and that's why he's finished.
giggles_giggles 9y ago
>Don't you think that these maters should be solved in public so that at least it is publicly known that an accusation has been made? Ideally, no, it would be settled in courts so that unsubstantiated allegations wouldn't damage the reputations of any innocents accused. What I would like to see in public is all of these cases the police are ignoring and those investigators brought to task, because they are presumably the root of the rot in the legal system which makes it such that the only perceivable route of justice is instead through the court of public opinion. I fail to understand why this isn't the primary political thrust of activists regarding this issue, seeing as that's the part of this equation addressable by public policy. Loss of trust and faith in the legal system is deadly to a society.. with that restored, these women would have justice, the perpetrators would be in jail where they belong, and the critics who call "witch hunt" wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
- runesoerensen 9y ago
  These allegations are not unsubstantiated, as the article clearly shows.
  - Buttes 9y ago
    Yeah he basically admitted it in a PGP signed message. Why are we debating his innocence?
  - giggles_giggles 9y ago
    I was commenting on the topic generally and not on the specific case from the OP.
- stale2002 9y ago
  > Loss of trust and faith in the legal system is deadly to a society.. with that restored, these women would have justice Ok, but how about society fixes that first before they are allowed to say what ways women can or cannot have justice?
- watwut 9y ago
  There is no way to substantiated he said she said only two of us after party rape accusation. Especially not when accusers are not stereotype of modest lady. Just about the only way is if multiple events collect and the stories match - effectively becoming they said he said. It would be cool if justice system could wave magical wand and know for sure what happened behind closed doors. They can't.

corndoge 9y ago

I didn't blame women, and no I don't. Innocent until proven guilty. Hate all you want after the verdict comes in and not before.

tptacek 9y ago
That's absolutely not how reputation works. Your logic is easily flipped onto its back: if they're lying, they're doing horrific damage to him. Why is he not suing? We know why he's not suing, and that's why he's finished.

giggles_giggles 9y ago

>Don't you think that these maters should be solved in public so that at least it is publicly known that an accusation has been made? Ideally, no, it would be settled in courts so that unsubstantiated allegations wouldn't damage the reputations of any innocents accused. What I would like to see in public is all of these cases the police are ignoring and those investigators brought to task, because they are presumably the root of the rot in the legal system which makes it such that the only perceivable route of justice is instead through the court of public opinion. I fail to understand why this isn't the primary political thrust of activists regarding this issue, seeing as that's the part of this equation addressable by public policy. Loss of trust and faith in the legal system is deadly to a society.. with that restored, these women would have justice, the perpetrators would be in jail where they belong, and the critics who call "witch hunt" wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

runesoerensen 9y ago
These allegations are not unsubstantiated, as the article clearly shows.
- Buttes 9y ago
  Yeah he basically admitted it in a PGP signed message. Why are we debating his innocence?
- giggles_giggles 9y ago
  I was commenting on the topic generally and not on the specific case from the OP.
stale2002 9y ago
> Loss of trust and faith in the legal system is deadly to a society.. with that restored, these women would have justice Ok, but how about society fixes that first before they are allowed to say what ways women can or cannot have justice?
watwut 9y ago
There is no way to substantiated he said she said only two of us after party rape accusation. Especially not when accusers are not stereotype of modest lady. Just about the only way is if multiple events collect and the stories match - effectively becoming they said he said. It would be cool if justice system could wave magical wand and know for sure what happened behind closed doors. They can't.