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Chrome is still king of the web browsers, beating Firefox Quantum

11 points by sharjeelsayed 9y ago

catalunia 9y ago
None cares. Google sucks.
- sctb 9y ago
  Would you please give the guidelines a read and then follow them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
benmarks 9y ago
It will be interesting to watch these two products evolve in parallel. I suspect that user experience will be the main differentiator.
- nevi-me 9y ago
  I'm wondering if Google has plans to address the RAM issue. Small benchmarks are fine in isolation, but pain points are the RAM used by Chrome, which eventually renders it slow with many open tabs. Is V8 the culprit? node.js doesn't indicate that to be the case.
Nicksil 9y ago
> Chrome is still king of the web browsers, beating Firefox Quantum That's one editorialized title. Hell, even the Mashable's title is less antagonistic. Can we title this thread with the actual title of the article?
- jszymborski 9y ago
  Please do this. (1) Current title does not reflect article (2) Current title uses logic that can only be written by someone with an agenda. Quantum has been out for less than a week and it's suppose to supplant Chrome's huge market share in that time???
  - submeta 9y ago
    > uses logic that can only be written by someone with an agenda Absolutely agree!
- detaro 9y ago
  If you google the HN title, you find the mashable site with this title. So it might just be them A/B testing different variations and the submitter saw the title they used. https://www.google.com/search?q=Chrome%20is%20still%20king%20of%20the%20web%20browsers%2C%20beating%20Firefox%20Quantum https://www.google.com/search?q=Chrome%20is%20still%20king%2...
  - jsnell 9y ago
    Every time I load the page it'll start off showing "Firefox Quantum vs. Google Chrome: Which browser is faster?" in the H1 vs "Chrome is still king of the web browsers, beating Firefox Quantum" in the Title element. Then some Javascript changes the contents of the H1. So maybe the people seeing the former have Javascript disabled?
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
Knufen 9y ago
Do Firefox collect everything and manipulate search results?
- sebazzz 9y ago
  Firefox does have telemetry, but it can be disabled [1][2]. Not sure what you mean by manipulating search results, is this not Google Search instead of the web browser? [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry https://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry [2]: https://telemetry.mozilla.org/ https://telemetry.mozilla.org/
Majestic121 9y ago
*in pure speed However, when looking for a web browser, speed is only one characteristic among many, and imho Firefox is close enough to Chrome on this for speed to be ignored On the other hand, Firefox is built by mozilla instead of Google, which leads me to trust Firefox way more than Chrome about privacy issues, and keeping consumer interest at heart above all To me, this is worth way more than a couple of micro seconds on a chart
aibara 9y ago
I like how they compared the performance of the two browsers on five whole websites (Chrome was faster at displaying three, Firefox two). Some very comprehensive testing.
- fencepost 9y ago
  At least they didn't make their test suite a representative example of online apps including email, document editing, spreadsheet, mapping and social media.
eberkund 9y ago
Not all of the performance improvements for FF got into version 57, expect 59 to deliver another substantial performance increase. Also I wonder if an improved Firefox has a chance of replacing the use of Webkit in other browsers, like Opera or Safari?
fencepost 9y ago
Ok, so how's the memory usage compare when I have 50-60 tabs open until I take time to go through and grab what I needed from them? What's the comparison look like when I open (of course) the daily comics in the morning by Ctrl-clicking on the appropriate bookmarks folder to open all of them at once? I've watched that one bring misconfigured routers to their knees.
JoshTriplett 9y ago
Half the tests run here are JavaScript, which Quantum doesn't affect; it's not surprising that the results are consistent with previous versions of Firefox.
JohnTHaller 9y ago
Spoiler: Performance is about even with Chrome being slightly faster on some sites and Firefox being faster on others.

11 points by sharjeelsayed 9y ago

catalunia 9y ago

None cares. Google sucks.

sctb 9y ago
Would you please give the guidelines a read and then follow them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

benmarks 9y ago

It will be interesting to watch these two products evolve in parallel. I suspect that user experience will be the main differentiator.

nevi-me 9y ago
I'm wondering if Google has plans to address the RAM issue. Small benchmarks are fine in isolation, but pain points are the RAM used by Chrome, which eventually renders it slow with many open tabs. Is V8 the culprit? node.js doesn't indicate that to be the case.

Nicksil 9y ago

> Chrome is still king of the web browsers, beating Firefox Quantum That's one editorialized title. Hell, even the Mashable's title is less antagonistic. Can we title this thread with the actual title of the article?

jszymborski 9y ago
Please do this. (1) Current title does not reflect article (2) Current title uses logic that can only be written by someone with an agenda. Quantum has been out for less than a week and it's suppose to supplant Chrome's huge market share in that time???
- submeta 9y ago
  > uses logic that can only be written by someone with an agenda Absolutely agree!
detaro 9y ago
If you google the HN title, you find the mashable site with this title. So it might just be them A/B testing different variations and the submitter saw the title they used. https://www.google.com/search?q=Chrome%20is%20still%20king%20of%20the%20web%20browsers%2C%20beating%20Firefox%20Quantum https://www.google.com/search?q=Chrome%20is%20still%20king%2...
- jsnell 9y ago
  Every time I load the page it'll start off showing "Firefox Quantum vs. Google Chrome: Which browser is faster?" in the H1 vs "Chrome is still king of the web browsers, beating Firefox Quantum" in the Title element. Then some Javascript changes the contents of the H1. So maybe the people seeing the former have Javascript disabled?
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]

Knufen 9y ago

Do Firefox collect everything and manipulate search results?

sebazzz 9y ago
Firefox does have telemetry, but it can be disabled [1][2]. Not sure what you mean by manipulating search results, is this not Google Search instead of the web browser? [1]: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry https://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry [2]: https://telemetry.mozilla.org/ https://telemetry.mozilla.org/

Majestic121 9y ago

*in pure speed However, when looking for a web browser, speed is only one characteristic among many, and imho Firefox is close enough to Chrome on this for speed to be ignored On the other hand, Firefox is built by mozilla instead of Google, which leads me to trust Firefox way more than Chrome about privacy issues, and keeping consumer interest at heart above all To me, this is worth way more than a couple of micro seconds on a chart

aibara 9y ago

I like how they compared the performance of the two browsers on five whole websites (Chrome was faster at displaying three, Firefox two). Some very comprehensive testing.

fencepost 9y ago
At least they didn't make their test suite a representative example of online apps including email, document editing, spreadsheet, mapping and social media.

eberkund 9y ago

Not all of the performance improvements for FF got into version 57, expect 59 to deliver another substantial performance increase. Also I wonder if an improved Firefox has a chance of replacing the use of Webkit in other browsers, like Opera or Safari?

fencepost 9y ago

Ok, so how's the memory usage compare when I have 50-60 tabs open until I take time to go through and grab what I needed from them? What's the comparison look like when I open (of course) the daily comics in the morning by Ctrl-clicking on the appropriate bookmarks folder to open all of them at once? I've watched that one bring misconfigured routers to their knees.

JoshTriplett 9y ago

Half the tests run here are JavaScript, which Quantum doesn't affect; it's not surprising that the results are consistent with previous versions of Firefox.

JohnTHaller 9y ago

Spoiler: Performance is about even with Chrome being slightly faster on some sites and Firefox being faster on others.