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Seems plausible, though regardless of whether Kaspersky cooperates (maybe under some gag order) with Russian agencies or not, it seems prudent for any governmen

Seems plausible, though regardless of whether Kaspersky cooperates (maybe under some gag order) with Russian agencies or not, it seems prudent for any government in the world to avoid using software that potentially uploads confidential data to foreign servers. Governments anywhere would probably be ill-advised to use anti-virus software from countries like the US or Russia, unless they can be sure that cloud analysis is either disabled or done in local datacenters. I guess on the bright side at least the anti-virus market has a variety of firms based in many different countries, so you can choose your poison based on how trustworthy you find the respective governments. Doesn't help you when they themselves get hacked though. As for the story itself, I kinda dislike the reliance on access journalism and "unnamed" sources in many of the reports. Yes, there surely are many legitimate reasons why sources have to remain anonymous, no doubt about that. But in a case that's so highly political it kinda leaves a bad taste if the story is so dependent on unnamed government sources.

trhway 9y ago
>whether Kaspersky cooperates (maybe under some gag order) with Russian agencies or not no offense, it is just very entertaining(and educational) to observe how people from one culture try to apply their mental frameworks to completely different mentality. There is no "whether", "or not", "gag order" (in the sense as if explicit one was necessary) in the Russian reality in the context of private company cooperating with FSB. Hell, there is no even much of "cooperating". An FSB guy just says what he wants to get, and he gets it pronto. And in cases like Kaspersky it is even more straightforward as Kaspersky and the others there are FSB guys. I mean it is like a joke among Russians here: "Did you hear? The NSA thinks about stopping to use Kaspersky on their computers!" "Wow! How did they discovered (the ploy)? Was it the parachute?" (the parachute is a reference to a very well known joke about a USSR spy in Nazi Germany from very popular TV movie - the spy was so good and invincible that only the deployed parachute he was dragging behind him in the open daylight on the streets of Berlin was the only possible clue for the Nazis) Again, it is different reality. In US law protects from and punishes for illegal cooperation, whereis in Russia the system protects for cooperation and punishes for refusal to do so.
- codedokode 9y ago
  > In US law protects from and punishes for illegal cooperation Then they can insist on legal cooperation. I remember how Pavel Durov (founder of Telegram) wrote that US secret service agents were stalking him in US and tried to bribe one of his developers.
- themaninthedark 9y ago
  "In US law protects from and punishes for illegal cooperation" If you believe this I have an AT&T switch closet to show you.
SiempreViernes 9y ago
Well you can say that, but they aren't likely to stop using Office...

trhway 9y ago

>whether Kaspersky cooperates (maybe under some gag order) with Russian agencies or not no offense, it is just very entertaining(and educational) to observe how people from one culture try to apply their mental frameworks to completely different mentality. There is no "whether", "or not", "gag order" (in the sense as if explicit one was necessary) in the Russian reality in the context of private company cooperating with FSB. Hell, there is no even much of "cooperating". An FSB guy just says what he wants to get, and he gets it pronto. And in cases like Kaspersky it is even more straightforward as Kaspersky and the others there are FSB guys. I mean it is like a joke among Russians here: "Did you hear? The NSA thinks about stopping to use Kaspersky on their computers!" "Wow! How did they discovered (the ploy)? Was it the parachute?" (the parachute is a reference to a very well known joke about a USSR spy in Nazi Germany from very popular TV movie - the spy was so good and invincible that only the deployed parachute he was dragging behind him in the open daylight on the streets of Berlin was the only possible clue for the Nazis) Again, it is different reality. In US law protects from and punishes for illegal cooperation, whereis in Russia the system protects for cooperation and punishes for refusal to do so.

codedokode 9y ago
> In US law protects from and punishes for illegal cooperation Then they can insist on legal cooperation. I remember how Pavel Durov (founder of Telegram) wrote that US secret service agents were stalking him in US and tried to bribe one of his developers.
themaninthedark 9y ago
"In US law protects from and punishes for illegal cooperation" If you believe this I have an AT&T switch closet to show you.

SiempreViernes 9y ago

Well you can say that, but they aren't likely to stop using Office...