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>Anecdotally though, I've met plenty of coders who did this to themselves by refusing to learn more about the domain or the business. Anything outside of learn

>Anecdotally though, I've met plenty of coders who did this to themselves by refusing to learn more about the domain or the business. Anything outside of learning enough to do your job should be at the business's expense. 1) some fields are not good for self-teaching. It leaves the possibility open to misunderstanding and writing code to that misunderstanding 2) the business will probably have a good idea of conferences and workshops that impart the knowledge the business is looking for 3) this is more fuel for "unpaid studying outside of work hours" Based on posts like this, it seems really dumb to enter software first -- better to get a degree in some other technical field and just teach yourself to code.

Trundle 9y ago
If it increases your value and allows you to demand a higher salary, that is at the businesses expense. You are a business expense.
- FLUX-YOU 9y ago
  It'd add even more value if companies spent more on proper training. Maybe even training geared for software devs learning the field from that perspective if that's available. But if they think I can become a domain expert by reading junk on the internet with no one really verifying my skills, I'm happy to take their paycheck.
detaro 9y ago
In many environments, you probably can do a lot of that learning at work, just by talking more than strictly necessary to people having the knowledge.
golergka 9y ago
> Anything outside of learning enough to do your job should be at the business's expense. There's no "should" here — it's an open market with a lot of agents. You're free to pursue certain working conditions and then look for employer that will agree with them. And another developer is also free to go an extra mile and ask something extra in return. This is why I'm against any kind of unionizing for developers, by the way — too many different situations and opinions about what our working conditions should be.

Trundle 9y ago

If it increases your value and allows you to demand a higher salary, that is at the businesses expense. You are a business expense.

FLUX-YOU 9y ago
It'd add even more value if companies spent more on proper training. Maybe even training geared for software devs learning the field from that perspective if that's available. But if they think I can become a domain expert by reading junk on the internet with no one really verifying my skills, I'm happy to take their paycheck.

detaro 9y ago

In many environments, you probably can do a lot of that learning at work, just by talking more than strictly necessary to people having the knowledge.

golergka 9y ago

> Anything outside of learning enough to do your job should be at the business's expense. There's no "should" here — it's an open market with a lot of agents. You're free to pursue certain working conditions and then look for employer that will agree with them. And another developer is also free to go an extra mile and ask something extra in return. This is why I'm against any kind of unionizing for developers, by the way — too many different situations and opinions about what our working conditions should be.