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No-one seems to be accusing him of an actual crime. It sounds like his victims/partners willingly carried him on their backs or did workouts together or took th

No-one seems to be accusing him of an actual crime. It sounds like his victims/partners willingly carried him on their backs or did workouts together or took their shirts off. It sounds very similar to what many pairs opposite sex people do when one invites the other back to their hotel room. If it was a woman and she wasn't sexually interested in him, she would be unlikely to go along so far - certainly not taking off clothes in a hotel room! Does it just seem worse because it's gay? Maybe it's worse because young men in those days didn't think that other men might be gay so they misread his advances?

cisanti 9y ago
Rubbing erect penis against the other person?!?
xwvvvvwx 9y ago
You might find it quite instructive to read up on the legal definitions of sexual assault and sexual harassment. It's also important to consider what consent actually is. Just because someone doesn't say no doesn't necessarily mean that they want something to happen. Don't lose sight of the power imbalance, as well as the youth and inexperience of the victims.
- geggam 9y ago
  I have read several stories of people being approached and many have said they felt uncomfortable and didnt do it. Does that not imply there was no power imbalance as the weak or inexperienced were not coerced ? Do you have a story of someone coerced ? OR do you just prefer to make shit up ?
  - xwvvvvwx 9y ago
    Quoting directly from the buzzfeed aerticle: > In a series of interviews, six men with direct knowledge of Draper, now 74, described him as habitually meeting young, often teenage men at conferences between 1999 and 2007, touting “energy” exercises or stretches. These included him massaging men in public and urging them to come to his or their hotel room for private sessions. In multiple cases in which the men agreed, Draper would leap on their backs in ways the men described as unwanted sexual contact.

cisanti 9y ago

Rubbing erect penis against the other person?!?

xwvvvvwx 9y ago

You might find it quite instructive to read up on the legal definitions of sexual assault and sexual harassment. It's also important to consider what consent actually is. Just because someone doesn't say no doesn't necessarily mean that they want something to happen. Don't lose sight of the power imbalance, as well as the youth and inexperience of the victims.

geggam 9y ago
I have read several stories of people being approached and many have said they felt uncomfortable and didnt do it. Does that not imply there was no power imbalance as the weak or inexperienced were not coerced ? Do you have a story of someone coerced ? OR do you just prefer to make shit up ?
- xwvvvvwx 9y ago
  Quoting directly from the buzzfeed aerticle: > In a series of interviews, six men with direct knowledge of Draper, now 74, described him as habitually meeting young, often teenage men at conferences between 1999 and 2007, touting “energy” exercises or stretches. These included him massaging men in public and urging them to come to his or their hotel room for private sessions. In multiple cases in which the men agreed, Draper would leap on their backs in ways the men described as unwanted sexual contact.