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Also violin/string players (when not playing double stops) Singers who are not overtone singers (pretty much everyone). What kind of weird musician is this pe

Also violin/string players (when not playing double stops) Singers who are not overtone singers (pretty much everyone). What kind of weird musician is this person limited to?

jerf 9y ago
If you want to get a bit more wild, though, a lot of solo music still contains chords by implication, and can be very easily harmonically analyzed. I don't know how popular solo works are in the 20th century since atonality flung the music locomotive gleefully through the "Bridge Out Ahead" sign and into the canyon [1], but if we discount that it would certainly include almost all Western solo music. [1]: Yes, it's an opinion. Yes, it's an informed opinion, and implying in one way or another that I just must Not Get It will not faze me. I do Get It, and that's why I find it distasteful.
- acjohnson55 9y ago
  I used to think that, but when I had to study atonal music, it became clear to me how much of an impact it had on film music and how it shows up in fragments in pop music. Then, I took a class on electronic music composition. For my own project in the spirit of the avant garde, I wanted to challenge myself to write something "musical" without resorting to the traditional concepts of pitch-based melody and harmony or quantized rhythm. It turns out, there are many other levers you can play with to create the effect of an musical arc. Not to pat myself on the back, but I think the end result is evocative in a similar sense as tonal music. If I had the time, I would do more. Check it out here, if you like: https://soundcloud.com/acjohnson/wanderers https://soundcloud.com/acjohnson/wanderers
  - jerf 9y ago
    If we want to play "wave the credentials" at each other, I minored in music composition, and my objection is a great deal philosophically deeper than "I don't generally like how atonal music sounds". There's a parallel world where atonal music is still explored but I wouldn't characterize it as "flinging music off a cliff". Atonality was merely when the cliff-jumping occurred. I have neither the time nor the desire to fully explain my point in an HN post, but I would note that the music community itself has been asking questions in this direction in the last decade or so, if you want to follow up on it, as the academic music community asks themselves exactly how they got to where they are now, so disconnected from the rest of the world at large and so utterly irrelevant to almost anything musically occurring today. (Not just pop music; that is structurally inevitably insipid, really, so who cares, but irrelevant to anything other than their own very little world.)
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burmer 9y ago
lol, also every wind and brass instrument. Also drums.
- stephengillie 9y ago
  There is a technique where the brass player hums while playing. In this way an extremely skilled brass musician can accompany herself.
perfecot0r 9y ago
also lo-fi sound chip music, but chord progressions may be emulated with fast arpeggiato (sequential instead of parallel chord notes, the name is from the harp, which exhibits this effect). There's probably a limit at which slow speed we don't notice notes as connected, but violin is surely fast enough. Speach pretty much seems to rely on an aliasing effect like that, too, when frequency clusters (iirc) are enough to identify words in speech analysis. So order would not matter as much as chord, if I am not mistaken. But then I might be as things get more complex than single progressions. I wonder if interleaved arp progressions have been explored.
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Also violin/string players (when not playing double stops) Singers who are not overtone singers (pretty much everyone). What kind of weird musician is this person limited to?

jerf 9y ago

If you want to get a bit more wild, though, a lot of solo music still contains chords by implication, and can be very easily harmonically analyzed. I don't know how popular solo works are in the 20th century since atonality flung the music locomotive gleefully through the "Bridge Out Ahead" sign and into the canyon [1], but if we discount that it would certainly include almost all Western solo music. [1]: Yes, it's an opinion. Yes, it's an informed opinion, and implying in one way or another that I just must Not Get It will not faze me. I do Get It, and that's why I find it distasteful.

acjohnson55 9y ago
I used to think that, but when I had to study atonal music, it became clear to me how much of an impact it had on film music and how it shows up in fragments in pop music. Then, I took a class on electronic music composition. For my own project in the spirit of the avant garde, I wanted to challenge myself to write something "musical" without resorting to the traditional concepts of pitch-based melody and harmony or quantized rhythm. It turns out, there are many other levers you can play with to create the effect of an musical arc. Not to pat myself on the back, but I think the end result is evocative in a similar sense as tonal music. If I had the time, I would do more. Check it out here, if you like: https://soundcloud.com/acjohnson/wanderers https://soundcloud.com/acjohnson/wanderers
- jerf 9y ago
  If we want to play "wave the credentials" at each other, I minored in music composition, and my objection is a great deal philosophically deeper than "I don't generally like how atonal music sounds". There's a parallel world where atonal music is still explored but I wouldn't characterize it as "flinging music off a cliff". Atonality was merely when the cliff-jumping occurred. I have neither the time nor the desire to fully explain my point in an HN post, but I would note that the music community itself has been asking questions in this direction in the last decade or so, if you want to follow up on it, as the academic music community asks themselves exactly how they got to where they are now, so disconnected from the rest of the world at large and so utterly irrelevant to almost anything musically occurring today. (Not just pop music; that is structurally inevitably insipid, really, so who cares, but irrelevant to anything other than their own very little world.)
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burmer 9y ago

lol, also every wind and brass instrument. Also drums.

stephengillie 9y ago
There is a technique where the brass player hums while playing. In this way an extremely skilled brass musician can accompany herself.

perfecot0r 9y ago

also lo-fi sound chip music, but chord progressions may be emulated with fast arpeggiato (sequential instead of parallel chord notes, the name is from the harp, which exhibits this effect). There's probably a limit at which slow speed we don't notice notes as connected, but violin is surely fast enough. Speach pretty much seems to rely on an aliasing effect like that, too, when frequency clusters (iirc) are enough to identify words in speech analysis. So order would not matter as much as chord, if I am not mistaken. But then I might be as things get more complex than single progressions. I wonder if interleaved arp progressions have been explored.

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