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A fascinating read but full of statements (without any citation or justification) such as: "sentences like the opening line of the Declaration of Independence s
by gerdesj 9y ago
A fascinating read but full of statements (without any citation or justification) such as: "sentences like the opening line of the Declaration of Independence simply do not occur in conversation".
Here the author seems to state that complex, multi-nested, compound or recursive statements do not arise in spoken English - obviously we must allow that the language has changed somewhat since the DoI was written - however, I know - for a fact - that I have personally uttered sentences that make the DoI's opening statement look quite concise, given my habit towards verbosity ... etc etc ad nauseam.
I apologise to anyone trying to parse the above paragraph. Spoken language does not have to worry about punctuation, spelling and can mess around with grammatical constructs. You can get away with a lot when speaking. You can use rhythm, pauses and all sorts of other tricks that are unavailable in print. You can also use facial and other gestures as well. You can fiddle with accents and other quirks as well.
That said, some written prose/documents seem to somehow transcend the limits of being pinned down on a page and take a life of their own. For example, Mr Shaksper (probably one of his famous variety of spelings) was quite handy with a pen according to a few people.
- im3w1l 9y agoIt was only when I got to "verbosity..." to check if you were doing that then and there - I hadn't noticed that anything was off.
- jacobolus 9y agoThe Declaration of Independence is in the style of an oration, not a conversation. People definitely use more complicated sentences than that in conversation – heck, I’ve had conversations where 4 different running threads were intermingled ad-hoc, and both participants were able to keep track of all four ongoing thoughts just fine – but not in the same high and formal style. (Some orators still use such a style, but probably less than 50+ years ago, as audiences have changed.)
- __2nd 9y agoThat's funny: I found the second paragraph one of the most lucid and easy to read statements I've read on the Internet for a while (but I'm not a native English speaker). Perhaps there's something to be said for long sentences.
- danthejam 9y agoHere, I'll let you borrow my em dash: —
- mannykannot 9y agoTo support the claim that the article is full of unjustified statements, you should offer more than one pedantic example.