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So puzzle me this - Twitter, FB, etc. are profitable because of user's data. Flexing power beyond the normal, even beyond government for that matter, to impose
by mankash666 9y ago
So puzzle me this - Twitter, FB, etc. are profitable because of user's data. Flexing power beyond the normal, even beyond government for that matter, to impose "morality" on users & the content they generate, which, mind you, is the source of their income, and existence is insanity.
That said, we need to take back control from the big platforms & corporations - dominant channels of public discourse shouldn't be subject to random whims & fancies, regardless of public/private ownership. You don't want to see Nazi content on Twitter, don't follow Nazis. Or, request a content filter from Twitter, though that still doesn't eliminate Nazis from the world - it just puts you deeper in your echo chamber. But punitive action against people you disagree with is simply unacceptable!
- terminus 9y ago> But punitive action against people you disagree with is simply unacceptable! Where your argument falls down is in just reducing this to "people you disagree with." Nazis (even lately) have been responsible for more than just polite disagreements. For instance Jason Kessler one of the neo-Nazis/white-supremacists was involved in the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville which devolved into violence and one death. Free speech absolutism [1] is good, but I draw the line at speech leading to violence. [1] Sidepoint, but framing this as a free speech question is IMO disingenuous because nobody's speech is being taken away here. Just verification from twitter.
- JungleGymSam 9y agoWhat is "speech leading to violence"? What's the statute of limitations on said such?
- terminus 9y agoI'd say, speech leading to violence is like pornography; you know it when you see it. And I would refer you to the examples I have in the comment. Given the subjective nature of the test there will be cases when it's less clear cut. But I think that's better than status quo.
- mankash666 9y agoDecertification is certainly a violation of free speech. It's a way for Twitter to de-legitimize people who'd previously proved their legitimacy the Twitter.
- terminus 9y agoYes, and as I said above: good for Twitter. However, I notice that you don't have much to say about my argument against speech leading to violence. What do you think about that.
- toomuchtodo 9y agoThere is no constructive argument to be had and will only result in thread detachment and a stern warning by an HN mod. Let’s move on to a more productive line of discourse.
- terminus 9y agoThanks for the suggestion. You are right of course.
- chrismcb 9y agoAre you suggesting everyone in Charlottesville that weekend sounds be punished, or just the people you disagree with. Did Jason say something that led to the driver going berzerk? Nazis aren't the only ones with more than like disagreements, and most neonazis don't fall into that category either