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"There is society that's setup to encourage this behavior." Is that accurate or is it the opposite? It seems to me that much of this behavior is the animalisti

"There is society that's setup to encourage this behavior." Is that accurate or is it the opposite? It seems to me that much of this behavior is the animalistic mating strategies of males. Thus society is discouraging this behavior.. Strangely, while males harassing females is strongly discouraged, in western (as apposed to say Islam) female preening behavior which is basically the female equivalent of "sexual harassment" is perfectly acceptable.

timthelion 9y ago
Arg. The alt-right trolls have poisoned conversation to the point where I almost reflexively down-voted your comment, but I think that what you say is somewhat reasonable. Do you think that merely "preening" is sexual harassment? I know that it is considered sexual harassment if a man "moons" a female, so I guess by that same logic, much of the clothing woman wear and or don't wear could be considered "sexual harassment". I don't feel harassed simply by the looks of others, however. Do you? Wikipedia defines sexual harassment as "Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors." [1] This is an ironic definition to me as a male. The times I have felt sexually harassed were when I felt that a woman asked for a reward in a sexual way, for example, asking for help using sexualized mannerisms, voice, body-movements. Exactly the opposite dynamic to the sexual harassment defined by wikipedia. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment
- itronitron 9y ago
  A big aspect of sexual harassment is whether there is an asymmetry of power in the relationship, so if those women asking for help in a sexualized way were your boss then that could be categorized as harassment. If you were random strangers then they probably feel they have to act that way to get your attention, which could be either insulting or flattering depending on the situation.
  - timthelion 9y ago
    There is no indication that the TED attendees were taking advantage of a power differential. So it would appear that we are working with multiple definitions.
foldr 9y ago
Since when has masturbating in front of someone been a "mating strategy"? (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/louis-ck-accused-masturbating-front-multiple-women-ny-times-expos-1056601 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/louis-ck-accused-mast...) Sexual harassment seems distinctly human to me. It generally occurs in the context of asymmetries of power and wealth.

timthelion 9y ago

Arg. The alt-right trolls have poisoned conversation to the point where I almost reflexively down-voted your comment, but I think that what you say is somewhat reasonable. Do you think that merely "preening" is sexual harassment? I know that it is considered sexual harassment if a man "moons" a female, so I guess by that same logic, much of the clothing woman wear and or don't wear could be considered "sexual harassment". I don't feel harassed simply by the looks of others, however. Do you? Wikipedia defines sexual harassment as "Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors." [1] This is an ironic definition to me as a male. The times I have felt sexually harassed were when I felt that a woman asked for a reward in a sexual way, for example, asking for help using sexualized mannerisms, voice, body-movements. Exactly the opposite dynamic to the sexual harassment defined by wikipedia. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment

itronitron 9y ago
A big aspect of sexual harassment is whether there is an asymmetry of power in the relationship, so if those women asking for help in a sexualized way were your boss then that could be categorized as harassment. If you were random strangers then they probably feel they have to act that way to get your attention, which could be either insulting or flattering depending on the situation.
- timthelion 9y ago
  There is no indication that the TED attendees were taking advantage of a power differential. So it would appear that we are working with multiple definitions.

foldr 9y ago

Since when has masturbating in front of someone been a "mating strategy"? (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/louis-ck-accused-masturbating-front-multiple-women-ny-times-expos-1056601 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/louis-ck-accused-mast...) Sexual harassment seems distinctly human to me. It generally occurs in the context of asymmetries of power and wealth.