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I think it's murkier when one group commits a disproportionate amount of crime - accurate/percise coverage might look disproportionate even though it's actually

I think it's murkier when one group commits a disproportionate amount of crime - accurate/percise coverage might look disproportionate even though it's actually representative. I agree that pointing things out can be bigoted, but to the extent that politics addresses questions between friend and foe, it's natural that political expression is bigoted. Feminism is inherently bigoted to the extent that pointing out male dominance is important to the feminist perspective, but I don't think that feminists should be censored just because their discussions might offend people.

s73ver_ 9y ago
"I think it's murkier when one group commits a disproportionate amount of crime - accurate/percise coverage might look disproportionate even though it's actually representative." You're gonna have to prove that's the case. In just about every study, it's been shown that, no, the crime rates are not disproportionately higher. "Feminism is inherently bigoted" No, it's not. Not in the slightest. Wanting equality only looks bigoted to those who benefit from the inequality.
- alexanderstears 9y ago
  >In just about every study, it's been shown that, no, the crime rates are not disproportionately higher. Are we even talking about the same thing? There are absolutely groups that commit more crimes than others. Do you honestly need a citation for a claim like, "young men commit more crimes than elderly women?" >No, it's not. Not in the slightest. Wanting equality only looks bigoted to those who benefit from the inequality. Feminism isn't bigoted for wanting equality, Feminism is bigoted (but probably correctly so) for highlighting men as the reason there isn't equality. It gets back to my central claim that claims can be bigoted and true/valid/accurate.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    IME, much of feminism focuses on patriarchy as a set of structures as the problem, not men, and that the patriarchy is neither exclusively supported by men and their actions nor exclusively harmful to women.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    "Are we even talking about the same thing? There are absolutely groups that commit more crimes than others. Do you honestly need a citation for a claim like, "young men commit more crimes than elderly women?"" You should be able to cite something for that claim, yes. But you know we're not talking about those kinds of groups; we are talking about the ones that are highlighted on sites like Breitbart. "Feminism is bigoted (but probably correctly so) for highlighting men as the reason there isn't equality." Feminism doesn't highlight men. Feminism highlights power structures, many of which are put in place by certain men.
    - alexanderstears 9y ago
      You're demanding that I defend claims I never made / claims you've accused me of making. I'm not going to do it and I'm not going to respond to your messages.

s73ver_ 9y ago

"I think it's murkier when one group commits a disproportionate amount of crime - accurate/percise coverage might look disproportionate even though it's actually representative." You're gonna have to prove that's the case. In just about every study, it's been shown that, no, the crime rates are not disproportionately higher. "Feminism is inherently bigoted" No, it's not. Not in the slightest. Wanting equality only looks bigoted to those who benefit from the inequality.

alexanderstears 9y ago
>In just about every study, it's been shown that, no, the crime rates are not disproportionately higher. Are we even talking about the same thing? There are absolutely groups that commit more crimes than others. Do you honestly need a citation for a claim like, "young men commit more crimes than elderly women?" >No, it's not. Not in the slightest. Wanting equality only looks bigoted to those who benefit from the inequality. Feminism isn't bigoted for wanting equality, Feminism is bigoted (but probably correctly so) for highlighting men as the reason there isn't equality. It gets back to my central claim that claims can be bigoted and true/valid/accurate.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  IME, much of feminism focuses on patriarchy as a set of structures as the problem, not men, and that the patriarchy is neither exclusively supported by men and their actions nor exclusively harmful to women.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  "Are we even talking about the same thing? There are absolutely groups that commit more crimes than others. Do you honestly need a citation for a claim like, "young men commit more crimes than elderly women?"" You should be able to cite something for that claim, yes. But you know we're not talking about those kinds of groups; we are talking about the ones that are highlighted on sites like Breitbart. "Feminism is bigoted (but probably correctly so) for highlighting men as the reason there isn't equality." Feminism doesn't highlight men. Feminism highlights power structures, many of which are put in place by certain men.
  - alexanderstears 9y ago
    You're demanding that I defend claims I never made / claims you've accused me of making. I'm not going to do it and I'm not going to respond to your messages.