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Save your energy - they just think that reddit banning a pro-racism community or a internet infra company refusing to serve a neo-nazi website basically means t

Save your energy - they just think that reddit banning a pro-racism community or a internet infra company refusing to serve a neo-nazi website basically means that we live in an authoritarian society. Never mind that the slippery slope argument is a known logical fallacy, never mind that these companies are private entities and can do what they like, never mind that if Nazis ever gain power they will literally, physically exterminate people they don't like, never mind that people are still free to express their own views on public platforms, never mind all of that. Ugh. The only consolation is that these communities are being censored, taken offline, and driven onto platforms where they cannot reach nearly as many people as before, and that this will continue to happen, no matter what HN libertarians say. And that the tech community is not nearly a-ok with hosting racist speech as HN would make you believe. We are moving forward, and what you're seeing is a last-ditch reaction to pro-racism, neo-nazi communities being marginalized.

tscs37 9y ago
>they just think that reddit banning a pro-racism community or a internet infra company refusing to serve a neo-nazi website basically means that we live in an authoritarian society. No, I think it's unhealthy and may lead to such a society, not that we live in such. Do not confuse a fear of a possible future with an irrational fear of a present that isn't. >Never mind that the slippery slope argument is a known logical fallacy, I hope you're aware of the fallacy fallacy, yes? I think that might clear things atleast partially up. The problem I see here is that this is a slippery slope that my country has gone down in the past already and it pains me to see tendencies of this happening in the us. >never mind that these companies are private entities and can do what they like An argument can be made that sufficiently large social networks (2 million users or more, for example) should be held to the same standard as a government by the nature of exerting a real power over the people in the network. >never mind that if Nazis ever gain power they will literally, physically exterminate people they don't like I think you misinterprete the argument. My worry is not Nazis. Not that I would consider the US citizens who claim to be Nazis to be real Nazis (they're more like kids playing lets-pretend in comparison). My actual worry is people who will be hurt by this that you don't see because you and people who want to silence Nazis are wearing blinders on each side of your head. If you want to prevent Nazis from taking power, the easiest solution is to find out why these people are doing the things they are doing and going against the root cause. Nazi-ism is merely a symptom. >never mind all of that First they came... I think you know how the rest goes. I forgot. >and that this will continue to happen, no matter what HN libertarians say The daily stormer is on Tor now, no? Can you censor Tor? All the pitchforks do is to drive these people into places where they are safe from them and where the most dedicated of their followers can fester and boil the ideology. >We are moving forward, and what you're seeing is a last-ditch reaction to pro-racism, neo-nazi communities being marginalized. Maybe. Maybe people are reacting to things you don't want to acknlowedge and not to actual neo-nazi communities being banned. There are risks there and I do hope you recognize that people who say this is bad are not automatically defending Neo-Nazis. As that too would be a fallacy.
- sintaxi 9y ago
  people who think slippery-slope is a fallacy have never fed a wild animal food.

tscs37 9y ago

>they just think that reddit banning a pro-racism community or a internet infra company refusing to serve a neo-nazi website basically means that we live in an authoritarian society. No, I think it's unhealthy and may lead to such a society, not that we live in such. Do not confuse a fear of a possible future with an irrational fear of a present that isn't. >Never mind that the slippery slope argument is a known logical fallacy, I hope you're aware of the fallacy fallacy, yes? I think that might clear things atleast partially up. The problem I see here is that this is a slippery slope that my country has gone down in the past already and it pains me to see tendencies of this happening in the us. >never mind that these companies are private entities and can do what they like An argument can be made that sufficiently large social networks (2 million users or more, for example) should be held to the same standard as a government by the nature of exerting a real power over the people in the network. >never mind that if Nazis ever gain power they will literally, physically exterminate people they don't like I think you misinterprete the argument. My worry is not Nazis. Not that I would consider the US citizens who claim to be Nazis to be real Nazis (they're more like kids playing lets-pretend in comparison). My actual worry is people who will be hurt by this that you don't see because you and people who want to silence Nazis are wearing blinders on each side of your head. If you want to prevent Nazis from taking power, the easiest solution is to find out why these people are doing the things they are doing and going against the root cause. Nazi-ism is merely a symptom. >never mind all of that First they came... I think you know how the rest goes. I forgot. >and that this will continue to happen, no matter what HN libertarians say The daily stormer is on Tor now, no? Can you censor Tor? All the pitchforks do is to drive these people into places where they are safe from them and where the most dedicated of their followers can fester and boil the ideology. >We are moving forward, and what you're seeing is a last-ditch reaction to pro-racism, neo-nazi communities being marginalized. Maybe. Maybe people are reacting to things you don't want to acknlowedge and not to actual neo-nazi communities being banned. There are risks there and I do hope you recognize that people who say this is bad are not automatically defending Neo-Nazis. As that too would be a fallacy.

sintaxi 9y ago
people who think slippery-slope is a fallacy have never fed a wild animal food.