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If I accept donations for ${Charity}, but then say "well they have to actually ask me for it before I send it to them ...", and in the meantime it sits in my ba

by gknoy 9y ago

If I accept donations for ${Charity}, but then say "well they have to actually ask me for it before I send it to them ...", and in the meantime it sits in my bank account, I feel like that _would_ be somewhat unethical.

joshuamorton 9y ago
If the charity had to jump through hoops to receive the donations, yes. If the creators could just get a check in the mail, or BAT were converted to cash and forwarded to an existing patreon, I wouldn't have the same concerns that I do as is.
- Ajedi32 9y ago
  I'm not sure what you're expecting them to do. They already send creators an email telling them how to claim their money once the accumulated funds reach a significant amount. How is that any less convenient than a check in the mail?
  - bradleyjg 9y ago
    Are you seriously asking about what is less convenient about getting a check in the mail that can be deposited at any bank account in the world vs getting an email explaining the hoops you need to jump through in order to create an account to get access to a BAT tokens which can then be turned into cash by creating another account at some shady crypto coin exchange?
    - Ajedi32 9y ago
      What makes you think you necessarily need a separate account at an exchange? Theoretically Brave could offer to pay you via pretty much any method you want. (Direct deposit, Paypal, Bitcoin, BAT, or yes, even a check in the mail if you prefer.) They just need a way to verify that they're sending the money to the right person; it's not like they already have your address.
      - trhway 9y ago
        What if they can't verify? Do they return unclaimed money to sender? To state?
      - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
        Randomly accepting money from strangers is a bit of a compliance nightmare. You don’t want to chair a charity that winds up having received donations from sanctioned persons.
    - BrendanEich 9y ago
      There's no BAT to creator, they get paid in fiat via Uphold. Is it too much to at least read the docs before throwing stones?
      - miyayes 9y ago
        In the screenshot of the content creator dashboard, it looks like there is a dropdown menu (BAT to [dropdown]). Can't the creator choose "BAT" in the dropdown and receive BAT (or fiat, or whatever else they like that Uphold supports)?
      - reificator 9y ago
        When discussing a system that creates obligations for others, yes it is too much to ask that all users read the docs before throwing stones. If you donate via this system, you've now created an obligation for me to read an email, look up the company, read their documentation, read reviews and scam reports to ensure that they're legitimate, provide them personal information, then repeat the process for a second site, and then I can get the money you've given me. Yeah, I do think that's far, far too much.
        WikipediasBad 9y ago
        Dang, it's people like you that are the reason we can't have nice things. I am pretty bearish on BAT's system myself, and I wouldn't use it personally, but it's your attitude toward this stuff that makes me not want to try to come up with ideas to help content creators or the "advertising problem" on the internet. Stuff like this is why advertising still exists and is unfortunately the superior choice still in monetization even though it is beyond shitty.
        reificator 9y ago
        I think you're being unreasonably harsh here. You have to consider the perspective of the people you want to help. Lashing out at me for explaining why it's a difficult problem doesn't particularly help solve the problem. Let me try again: Think about how much spam you receive on a regular basis. Now imagine you're in a position where you have fans wanting to send you money: you probably get all the bulk spam plus a ton of targeted spam simply for being notable. This goes double if you have a need for people to be able to message you legitimate business inquiries, because then you're going to get illegitimate inquiries as well. Then imagine one of the messages in the flood (I know people with six figure unread message counts) that is your inbox said that they had some money available for you, and all you had to do was sign up for their service with your personal information. You'd be crazy to be willing to do that without researching, likely for several hours. And if more of these services start popping up, then you have to check up on each one individually as they come in. That's not something most people in that position can afford to do for 0.01% of their inbox. Or you could ignore them, but then you're at risk of upsetting your fans because they're trying to send you money and you're not receiving it, out of a quite reasonable assumption that it could be a scam. No one wins in that situation either. Or, consider the following situation: Someone you know recommends a donations platform, or you find one while searching, whatever. You sign up for an account, post the link somewhere, and people use it. It's much more inconvenient for the users who are giving the money and have to track down what platform you use, but at the same time they also get a level of assurance that any money they send will end up in your hands in the end.
  - logfromblammo 9y ago
    Oh, I have read emails promising me free money before! Are you saying those might have actually been legit, and that they should not have automatically gone to my spam bucket?
    - Ajedi32 9y ago
      If they were from Brave, then maybe so. But yeah, I find it pretty hilarious how much like a scam those emails are going to sound, despite being legit.

by gknoy 9y ago

joshuamorton 9y ago

If the charity had to jump through hoops to receive the donations, yes. If the creators could just get a check in the mail, or BAT were converted to cash and forwarded to an existing patreon, I wouldn't have the same concerns that I do as is.

Ajedi32 9y ago
I'm not sure what you're expecting them to do. They already send creators an email telling them how to claim their money once the accumulated funds reach a significant amount. How is that any less convenient than a check in the mail?
- bradleyjg 9y ago
  Are you seriously asking about what is less convenient about getting a check in the mail that can be deposited at any bank account in the world vs getting an email explaining the hoops you need to jump through in order to create an account to get access to a BAT tokens which can then be turned into cash by creating another account at some shady crypto coin exchange?
  - Ajedi32 9y ago
    What makes you think you necessarily need a separate account at an exchange? Theoretically Brave could offer to pay you via pretty much any method you want. (Direct deposit, Paypal, Bitcoin, BAT, or yes, even a check in the mail if you prefer.) They just need a way to verify that they're sending the money to the right person; it's not like they already have your address.
    - trhway 9y ago
      What if they can't verify? Do they return unclaimed money to sender? To state?
    - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
      Randomly accepting money from strangers is a bit of a compliance nightmare. You don’t want to chair a charity that winds up having received donations from sanctioned persons.
  - BrendanEich 9y ago
    There's no BAT to creator, they get paid in fiat via Uphold. Is it too much to at least read the docs before throwing stones?
    - miyayes 9y ago
      In the screenshot of the content creator dashboard, it looks like there is a dropdown menu (BAT to [dropdown]). Can't the creator choose "BAT" in the dropdown and receive BAT (or fiat, or whatever else they like that Uphold supports)?
    - reificator 9y ago
      When discussing a system that creates obligations for others, yes it is too much to ask that all users read the docs before throwing stones. If you donate via this system, you've now created an obligation for me to read an email, look up the company, read their documentation, read reviews and scam reports to ensure that they're legitimate, provide them personal information, then repeat the process for a second site, and then I can get the money you've given me. Yeah, I do think that's far, far too much.
      - WikipediasBad 9y ago
        Dang, it's people like you that are the reason we can't have nice things. I am pretty bearish on BAT's system myself, and I wouldn't use it personally, but it's your attitude toward this stuff that makes me not want to try to come up with ideas to help content creators or the "advertising problem" on the internet. Stuff like this is why advertising still exists and is unfortunately the superior choice still in monetization even though it is beyond shitty.
        reificator 9y ago
        I think you're being unreasonably harsh here. You have to consider the perspective of the people you want to help. Lashing out at me for explaining why it's a difficult problem doesn't particularly help solve the problem. Let me try again: Think about how much spam you receive on a regular basis. Now imagine you're in a position where you have fans wanting to send you money: you probably get all the bulk spam plus a ton of targeted spam simply for being notable. This goes double if you have a need for people to be able to message you legitimate business inquiries, because then you're going to get illegitimate inquiries as well. Then imagine one of the messages in the flood (I know people with six figure unread message counts) that is your inbox said that they had some money available for you, and all you had to do was sign up for their service with your personal information. You'd be crazy to be willing to do that without researching, likely for several hours. And if more of these services start popping up, then you have to check up on each one individually as they come in. That's not something most people in that position can afford to do for 0.01% of their inbox. Or you could ignore them, but then you're at risk of upsetting your fans because they're trying to send you money and you're not receiving it, out of a quite reasonable assumption that it could be a scam. No one wins in that situation either. Or, consider the following situation: Someone you know recommends a donations platform, or you find one while searching, whatever. You sign up for an account, post the link somewhere, and people use it. It's much more inconvenient for the users who are giving the money and have to track down what platform you use, but at the same time they also get a level of assurance that any money they send will end up in your hands in the end.
- logfromblammo 9y ago
  Oh, I have read emails promising me free money before! Are you saying those might have actually been legit, and that they should not have automatically gone to my spam bucket?
  - Ajedi32 9y ago
    If they were from Brave, then maybe so. But yeah, I find it pretty hilarious how much like a scam those emails are going to sound, despite being legit.