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It's not propaganda if he's actually THAT bad. I'm being deadly serious. He is not a normal candidate and claiming that it's biased because there are lots of tr

It's not propaganda if he's actually THAT bad. I'm being deadly serious. He is not a normal candidate and claiming that it's biased because there are lots of true stories about a bad person is a feature of our media, not a bug! It says more about Trump's fans that they're willing to overlook his egregious failings and attack and undermine quasi-impartial institutions just to point score than it does about bias.

masterrex 9y ago
No, it's baseless propaganda and character defamation cranked to 11. Your hypocritical hivemind tends to overlook that your queen bee accepted tens of millions from the KSA/Qatar in campaign contributions with the knowledge that, in her OWN words, they provide clandestine and logistic support to ISIL. It's OK to be white, it's OK to be American, and it's OK to love your country.
- sctb 9y ago
  We ban accounts that abuse Hacker News by posting only political or ideological comments. This isn't a place to wage such wars. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
bluGill 9y ago
Your reply says a lot about you.
tomp 9y ago
So... what were the actually bad things that actually happened because of Trump (i.e. because of something he did)? In my view, much like with Brexit, the fearmongering is way exaggerated compared to reality.
- beepboopbeep 9y ago
  The purposeful gutting/disorganization of major federal agencies and operations, the discrediting of the white house's statements, the undermining of existing federal law (see: explicitly sabotaging the ACA), then there's, of course, aiding and abetting enemies in order to win an election.
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    What exactly is it you mean these things show? Sounds mostly like you are complaining about his form than anything he has actually done. Is it worse than Bush administration who started a war?
    - beepboopbeep 9y ago
      I just don't know how else to tell you that these things are all very bad. They, to me, should appear bad at face value. We clearly differ in the perception of the world at a fundamental level.
      - ThomPete 9y ago
        Even if they are bad are they as bad as Bush starting a war? It's claimed that somehow Trump is the worst of them all. From what you have stated here do you personally think they are worse things than Bush starting a war?
        beepboopbeep 9y ago
        While I have an opinion for your question, you seem oddly driven to change topics. So I'll kindly decline to answer.
        ThomPete 9y ago
        I am not changing topics at all. When someone claims that Trump is the worst we have ever had then that of course means we have to compare to what other presidents have done to determine whether this is mostly a disagreement over style or over actual politics. The later is interesting the former is boring.
        bllguo 9y ago
        I find it really hard to believe you're arguing in good faith. What is the purpose of a comparison to Bush..? Even if the answer is that Bush was worse, it does not take away at all from how terrible Trump has been. And we're comparing 8 yrs of Bush to not even 1 from Trump, here. Anyway - yes, I do think that conspiring with hostile foreign entities to manipulate voters and undermine American democracy is worse.
- fhood 9y ago
  I think the major fear is the precedent he sets for divisive politics in the future. He also may cause the US to loose ground to China as far as foreign influence goes, but the first point is what worries me.
  - tomp 9y ago
    I think the politics were divisive before. In fact, I'd claim that Trump's election is the result of divisive politics.
- pjc50 9y ago
  Unconstitutional religious discrimination by executive order: https://theintercept.com/2017/10/21/donald-trump-muslim-ban-supreme-court/ https://theintercept.com/2017/10/21/donald-trump-muslim-ban-... Simple failure to do the job: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rex-tillerson-state-department-top-positions-not-filled-a7881686.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics...
- FrozenTuna 9y ago
  Assuming you've been paying exactly zero attention to anything going on, here's a few major things that he is responsible for: Travel ban targeting Islamic countries Withdrawal of Paris Agreement Fired head of FBI when Comey wouldn't declare personal loyalty Issued a directive to the department of health agencies "waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay" portions of the ACA Soon to be pretty closely tied to: Tax bill making graduate school significantly more expensive FCC votes to kill net neutrality next month These are, in my opinion, the worst offenses. There are many other things that he is either responsible for or closely related to. A simple google search yields list after list of things he's done both large and small.
ThomPete 9y ago
And yet isn't all you have to show for that his tweets.? Which of his actions shows that he is that bad. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to see that you are proving the parents' point.
- te_chris 9y ago
  I don't understand how you can even argue that, unless you're trolling?

masterrex 9y ago

No, it's baseless propaganda and character defamation cranked to 11. Your hypocritical hivemind tends to overlook that your queen bee accepted tens of millions from the KSA/Qatar in campaign contributions with the knowledge that, in her OWN words, they provide clandestine and logistic support to ISIL. It's OK to be white, it's OK to be American, and it's OK to love your country.

sctb 9y ago
We ban accounts that abuse Hacker News by posting only political or ideological comments. This isn't a place to wage such wars. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bluGill 9y ago

Your reply says a lot about you.

tomp 9y ago

So... what were the actually bad things that actually happened because of Trump (i.e. because of something he did)? In my view, much like with Brexit, the fearmongering is way exaggerated compared to reality.

beepboopbeep 9y ago
The purposeful gutting/disorganization of major federal agencies and operations, the discrediting of the white house's statements, the undermining of existing federal law (see: explicitly sabotaging the ACA), then there's, of course, aiding and abetting enemies in order to win an election.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  What exactly is it you mean these things show? Sounds mostly like you are complaining about his form than anything he has actually done. Is it worse than Bush administration who started a war?
  - beepboopbeep 9y ago
    I just don't know how else to tell you that these things are all very bad. They, to me, should appear bad at face value. We clearly differ in the perception of the world at a fundamental level.
    - ThomPete 9y ago
      Even if they are bad are they as bad as Bush starting a war? It's claimed that somehow Trump is the worst of them all. From what you have stated here do you personally think they are worse things than Bush starting a war?
      - beepboopbeep 9y ago
        While I have an opinion for your question, you seem oddly driven to change topics. So I'll kindly decline to answer.
        ThomPete 9y ago
        I am not changing topics at all. When someone claims that Trump is the worst we have ever had then that of course means we have to compare to what other presidents have done to determine whether this is mostly a disagreement over style or over actual politics. The later is interesting the former is boring.
      - bllguo 9y ago
        I find it really hard to believe you're arguing in good faith. What is the purpose of a comparison to Bush..? Even if the answer is that Bush was worse, it does not take away at all from how terrible Trump has been. And we're comparing 8 yrs of Bush to not even 1 from Trump, here. Anyway - yes, I do think that conspiring with hostile foreign entities to manipulate voters and undermine American democracy is worse.
fhood 9y ago
I think the major fear is the precedent he sets for divisive politics in the future. He also may cause the US to loose ground to China as far as foreign influence goes, but the first point is what worries me.
- tomp 9y ago
  I think the politics were divisive before. In fact, I'd claim that Trump's election is the result of divisive politics.
pjc50 9y ago
Unconstitutional religious discrimination by executive order: https://theintercept.com/2017/10/21/donald-trump-muslim-ban-supreme-court/ https://theintercept.com/2017/10/21/donald-trump-muslim-ban-... Simple failure to do the job: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rex-tillerson-state-department-top-positions-not-filled-a7881686.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics...
FrozenTuna 9y ago
Assuming you've been paying exactly zero attention to anything going on, here's a few major things that he is responsible for: Travel ban targeting Islamic countries Withdrawal of Paris Agreement Fired head of FBI when Comey wouldn't declare personal loyalty Issued a directive to the department of health agencies "waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay" portions of the ACA Soon to be pretty closely tied to: Tax bill making graduate school significantly more expensive FCC votes to kill net neutrality next month These are, in my opinion, the worst offenses. There are many other things that he is either responsible for or closely related to. A simple google search yields list after list of things he's done both large and small.

ThomPete 9y ago

And yet isn't all you have to show for that his tweets.? Which of his actions shows that he is that bad. You don't have to be a Trump supporter to see that you are proving the parents' point.

te_chris 9y ago
I don't understand how you can even argue that, unless you're trolling?