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But then the question becomes what do these guys offer which Patreon doesnt? Still my understanding is that Patreon doesn't automatically allow people to view

But then the question becomes what do these guys offer which Patreon doesnt? Still my understanding is that Patreon doesn't automatically allow people to view YT videos ad free. Sure people get donations and the amount of donations drive the number of videos etc but they don't go into YT's territory.

Helloworldboy 9y ago
Agreed. I think it might come down to the entirety of the BAT ecosystem (ad blocking browser, optional ads that you earn $ for turning on, micro donation system in the spirit of patreon). I certainly think its worth watching to see how it unfolds at least.
AlwaysBCoding 9y ago
> But then the question becomes what do these guys offer which Patreon doesnt? Patreon censors conservatives off their platform. [Context if you don't know what I'm talking about -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw] To some non-trivial minority of content creators that is reason enough to not use it. As someone who makes youtube vids and is thinking about scaling a brand, I want nothing to do with a tech platform that believes it should be the sole arbiter of who can and cannot solicit p2p donations/payments for their videos. I want a politically-neutral technology / payment mechanism. Brave seems to be more ideologically aligned with myself, so I would rather go that route. Even though the current iteration has quite a few centralized stop-gates, I think it's feasible that Brave and the BAT system could ultimately provide a way for me to monetize my video content directly from users with BAT tokens and not have to deal with Jack Conte's moral grandstanding as a single point of failure for my revenue streams.
glenstein 9y ago
I may be misunderstanding something, since I'm not a youtube creator, but couldn't someone sufficiently comfortable with the other revenue streams they have at their disposal voluntarily choose to demonetize their own youtube videos?
- tialaramex 9y ago
  Yes, Jim Sterling's videos are deliberately demonetized, his revenue comes via Patreon.
- rcthompson 9y ago
  For now, yes. But what people are saying is that if large numbers of YouTube content creators turn off ads and switch to getting their monetary support through Brave, Patreon, or some other income stream that YouTube doesn't profit from, there's nothing stopping YouTube from changing their policy in the future to make video ads mandatory.
  - ForHackernews 9y ago
    > there's nothing stopping YouTube from changing their policy in the future to make video ads mandatory. Ideally in that scenario, competition would push creators and viewers onto some other platform. Not sure how realistic that is, given the network effects involved with YouTube.

Helloworldboy 9y ago

Agreed. I think it might come down to the entirety of the BAT ecosystem (ad blocking browser, optional ads that you earn $ for turning on, micro donation system in the spirit of patreon). I certainly think its worth watching to see how it unfolds at least.

AlwaysBCoding 9y ago

> But then the question becomes what do these guys offer which Patreon doesnt? Patreon censors conservatives off their platform. [Context if you don't know what I'm talking about -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw] To some non-trivial minority of content creators that is reason enough to not use it. As someone who makes youtube vids and is thinking about scaling a brand, I want nothing to do with a tech platform that believes it should be the sole arbiter of who can and cannot solicit p2p donations/payments for their videos. I want a politically-neutral technology / payment mechanism. Brave seems to be more ideologically aligned with myself, so I would rather go that route. Even though the current iteration has quite a few centralized stop-gates, I think it's feasible that Brave and the BAT system could ultimately provide a way for me to monetize my video content directly from users with BAT tokens and not have to deal with Jack Conte's moral grandstanding as a single point of failure for my revenue streams.

glenstein 9y ago

I may be misunderstanding something, since I'm not a youtube creator, but couldn't someone sufficiently comfortable with the other revenue streams they have at their disposal voluntarily choose to demonetize their own youtube videos?

tialaramex 9y ago
Yes, Jim Sterling's videos are deliberately demonetized, his revenue comes via Patreon.
rcthompson 9y ago
For now, yes. But what people are saying is that if large numbers of YouTube content creators turn off ads and switch to getting their monetary support through Brave, Patreon, or some other income stream that YouTube doesn't profit from, there's nothing stopping YouTube from changing their policy in the future to make video ads mandatory.
- ForHackernews 9y ago
  > there's nothing stopping YouTube from changing their policy in the future to make video ads mandatory. Ideally in that scenario, competition would push creators and viewers onto some other platform. Not sure how realistic that is, given the network effects involved with YouTube.