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Hm. I should note, my information was as of 2008. If there are more cafes now, than I'm pleased. Have you seen a California cafe'? I can't really recall seeing

by antongm 16y ago

Hm. I should note, my information was as of 2008. If there are more cafes now, than I'm pleased. Have you seen a California cafe'? I can't really recall seeing anything comparable in Manhattan. Sure, there are cafes....but one where a guy is writing a Rails app on his laptop right there by the barista? Have trouble believing it...be glad to be proven wrong though. I'm actually not so down on NYC. Just the tech part of it. Part of me is scheming about how to get back there...

aplusbi 16y ago
I've seen several programmers working in cafes in Brooklyn. I don't really hang out in cafes in Manhattan that much (occasionally Subtletea back when I worked in the area) so I can't comment on the state of Manhattan cafes.
nir 16y ago
NYC cafes where I've personally witnessed coders at work include: Housing Works & McNally's at SoHo, Amrita in Harlem, Gorilla Cafe in Park Slope, Esperanto on McDougal.. I definitely agree the NYC startup scene is overhyped - this is the city of hype and startups are now cool by New York Magazine standards. But man, your view of NYC in general seems much shaped by a very specific social circle and long hours at GS ;)
- antongm 16y ago
  Hm. New York has a population of 8,000,000 people, and you cite five cafes. (Btw, Esperanto is cited in the footnotes of the post. It's since closed, at least according to Yelp.) Berkeley (pop. 169,000) has you beat for sheer number of cafes (Berkeley Espresso, Brewed Awakenings, Yali's, Au Coquelet, Caffe Roma, etc.). A complete list for SF would go on for quite a while.... I stand by my point (excusing a bit of blog-y hyperbole, of course).
  - aplusbi 16y ago
    He cited five that he had personal experience with. You can't use that as a metric.
  - char 16y ago
    Go here, center anywhere on Manhattan and type in "cafe": http://maps.google.com http://maps.google.com Surprise!! Cafes!! Everywhere!! Surely more than 5 of those have coders at work.
isamuel 16y ago
This is like complaining that LA is a bad city to film a movie because I've never seen a camera crew in Rancho Cucamonga. Manhattan != New York City.
- elblanco 16y ago
  It's worse than that. The four square blocks the author spent his time in != New York City.
brown9-2 16y ago
Really, you think cafes have come to the city only since 2008? I lived there from 2000-2004 and this point wrung completely hollow for me. If you don't think NYC has "cafes" then you are not in NYC.

by antongm 16y ago

aplusbi 16y ago

I've seen several programmers working in cafes in Brooklyn. I don't really hang out in cafes in Manhattan that much (occasionally Subtletea back when I worked in the area) so I can't comment on the state of Manhattan cafes.

nir 16y ago

NYC cafes where I've personally witnessed coders at work include: Housing Works & McNally's at SoHo, Amrita in Harlem, Gorilla Cafe in Park Slope, Esperanto on McDougal.. I definitely agree the NYC startup scene is overhyped - this is the city of hype and startups are now cool by New York Magazine standards. But man, your view of NYC in general seems much shaped by a very specific social circle and long hours at GS ;)

antongm 16y ago
Hm. New York has a population of 8,000,000 people, and you cite five cafes. (Btw, Esperanto is cited in the footnotes of the post. It's since closed, at least according to Yelp.) Berkeley (pop. 169,000) has you beat for sheer number of cafes (Berkeley Espresso, Brewed Awakenings, Yali's, Au Coquelet, Caffe Roma, etc.). A complete list for SF would go on for quite a while.... I stand by my point (excusing a bit of blog-y hyperbole, of course).
- aplusbi 16y ago
  He cited five that he had personal experience with. You can't use that as a metric.
- char 16y ago
  Go here, center anywhere on Manhattan and type in "cafe": http://maps.google.com http://maps.google.com Surprise!! Cafes!! Everywhere!! Surely more than 5 of those have coders at work.

isamuel 16y ago

This is like complaining that LA is a bad city to film a movie because I've never seen a camera crew in Rancho Cucamonga. Manhattan != New York City.

elblanco 16y ago
It's worse than that. The four square blocks the author spent his time in != New York City.

brown9-2 16y ago

Really, you think cafes have come to the city only since 2008? I lived there from 2000-2004 and this point wrung completely hollow for me. If you don't think NYC has "cafes" then you are not in NYC.