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Yah, except they're hosting /r/The_Donald which has been confirmed to violate Reddit rules. Just like Twitter they cherry pick for $$$.

Fnoord 9y ago
At least you know what you get when you visit /r/The_Donald. Is it better to have a cesspit bubble/sandbox than having none?
- sintaxi 9y ago
  I don't see why people care so much. Its just another echo chamber that can be completely ignored. Clearly the benefits of free flow of information outweigh the drawbacks so its best to just accept the drawbacks.
  - moojd 9y ago
    I filtered out /r/the_donald forever ago and I'm only reminded of it when a new anti-trump echo chamber spams its way to the top of /r/all. Now I have dozens of those filtered but its hard to keep up.
- SippinLean 9y ago
  It's hardly a sandbox, but more of an inlet with a lot of spillover. There's anecdotally been a HUGE spike in bigotry and white supremacy on what used to be good subs since last year when that sub grew in numbers. Looking at the post history of these users, it almost always includes t_d.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    They're also no strangers to organized brigading of other subs, unfortunately. It's a pretty irritating phenomenon.
Helmet 9y ago
What about r/The_Donald violates the rules other than going against your political preferences? There are left-wing sub-reddits that openly call for armed revolution, violence against the "bourgeoisie" and the police, destruction of property, etc; but I'm sure they're OK to exist, right?
- josefresco 9y ago
  Ah yes, "whataboutism" - it's almost like we're on The_Donald right now!
  - Helloworldboy 9y ago
    "calls for consistency are just whataboutism when applied to content that I agree with"
  - nathanaldensr 9y ago
    The question is perfectly valid. It is implied that Reddit will assign some level of consistency to these policies. If they don't, that shows they may be hiding their true intentions.
  - Cuuugi 9y ago
    You shouldn't berate someone for essentially asking to back up claims.
    - scrollaway 9y ago
      Asking "what about left-wing subreddits" is whataboutism. Nobody is claiming bannable content shouldn't be banned because it's left-wing (except GP's implication).
      - creaghpatr 9y ago
        crying 'whataboutism' is effectively ceding the argument I'm not sure why this term has been plaguing HN lately.
josefresco 9y ago
The proverbial elephant in the room.
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Helloworldboy 9y ago
they also host /r/SRS which has been doxxing reddit users for longer than /r/The_donald has existed. Rarely see that one brought up anymore, really makes you think.
chisleu 9y ago
This is untrue, and repeating it loud and often doesn't make it true. The moderators of The_Donald work with reddit to try to keep the subreddit in line. They do not allow anything that violates the site wide rules, but that doesn't mean low ranked comments on low ranked threads don't go unreported. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of assholes in The_Donald. There are. Some of them have valid political points to make, but most are just trolling and shit posting which was the entire point of the subreddit to begin with IMHO.
- LeifCarrotson 9y ago
  Here's the most recent thread (16 days ago) on this issue. /u/spez (the CEO of Reddit) responded [1] to a long list of unreported calls for violence on /r/the_donald, saying: > Many of these links are probably in violation of our policy, but most are unreported, which is what alerts the mods and our team, especially when there are few votes. We'll consider them reported now. > Generally the mods of the_donald have been cooperative when we approach them with systematic abuses. Typically we ban entire communities only when the mods are uncooperative or the entire premise of the community is in violation of our policies. In the past we have removed mods of the_donald that refuse to work with us. > Finally, the_donald is a small part of a large problem we face in this country—that a large part of the population feels unheard, and the last thing we're going to do is take their voice away. The reporter's response [2] said: >> most are unreported, which is what alerts the mods and our team > I don't accept that excuse. These were gathered by searching for phrases that should be included in their AutoModerator config. These calls for violence are mod enabled. There's definitely some validity to ignoring cherry-picked violations of low ranked comments and threads. But many of these should be caught automatically, just by watching for words and phrases like "kill", "hang", and "shoot". You'd have a lot of false positives, but a moderation and administration policy that was less tolerant of these calls for violence would not have this track record. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_for_my_quarterly_inquisition_reddit_ceo_here/dp708xx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_... [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_for_my_quarterly_inquisition_reddit_ceo_here/dp70uoc/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_...
criddell 9y ago
What rules do they violate? When a user posts something that violates Reddit rules and the moderators are notified, do they remedy the situation?
EasyTiger_ 9y ago
I've seen worse on other political subreddits which are given a free pass Is the Donald even allowed on /r/all anymore?
- kirRoyale 9y ago
  Supposedly it's been blocked from reaching the front-page. But no one cares that <insertantidrumpfsubhere> gets to the front-page with 40k points and only 10k subscribers
- DSMan195276 9y ago
  It's not blocked, some posts do make it there occasionally. Previously they were able to rocket things to the front page by taking advantage of the fact that Reddit places a huge weight on the first few upvotes, so getting a lot of votes quickly almost always meant making the front page. Reddit had since changed the algorithm so that technique isn't as effective anymore. I would wager they just don't have the actual numbers normally to make the front page without gaming the algorithm. They have lots of subs but there active user count was always very low for the number of subs they have.

Fnoord 9y ago

At least you know what you get when you visit /r/The_Donald. Is it better to have a cesspit bubble/sandbox than having none?

sintaxi 9y ago
I don't see why people care so much. Its just another echo chamber that can be completely ignored. Clearly the benefits of free flow of information outweigh the drawbacks so its best to just accept the drawbacks.
- moojd 9y ago
  I filtered out /r/the_donald forever ago and I'm only reminded of it when a new anti-trump echo chamber spams its way to the top of /r/all. Now I have dozens of those filtered but its hard to keep up.
SippinLean 9y ago
It's hardly a sandbox, but more of an inlet with a lot of spillover. There's anecdotally been a HUGE spike in bigotry and white supremacy on what used to be good subs since last year when that sub grew in numbers. Looking at the post history of these users, it almost always includes t_d.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  They're also no strangers to organized brigading of other subs, unfortunately. It's a pretty irritating phenomenon.

Helmet 9y ago

What about r/The_Donald violates the rules other than going against your political preferences? There are left-wing sub-reddits that openly call for armed revolution, violence against the "bourgeoisie" and the police, destruction of property, etc; but I'm sure they're OK to exist, right?

josefresco 9y ago
Ah yes, "whataboutism" - it's almost like we're on The_Donald right now!
- Helloworldboy 9y ago
  "calls for consistency are just whataboutism when applied to content that I agree with"
- nathanaldensr 9y ago
  The question is perfectly valid. It is implied that Reddit will assign some level of consistency to these policies. If they don't, that shows they may be hiding their true intentions.
- Cuuugi 9y ago
  You shouldn't berate someone for essentially asking to back up claims.
  - scrollaway 9y ago
    Asking "what about left-wing subreddits" is whataboutism. Nobody is claiming bannable content shouldn't be banned because it's left-wing (except GP's implication).
    - creaghpatr 9y ago
      crying 'whataboutism' is effectively ceding the argument I'm not sure why this term has been plaguing HN lately.

josefresco 9y ago

The proverbial elephant in the room.

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Helloworldboy 9y ago

they also host /r/SRS which has been doxxing reddit users for longer than /r/The_donald has existed. Rarely see that one brought up anymore, really makes you think.

chisleu 9y ago

This is untrue, and repeating it loud and often doesn't make it true. The moderators of The_Donald work with reddit to try to keep the subreddit in line. They do not allow anything that violates the site wide rules, but that doesn't mean low ranked comments on low ranked threads don't go unreported. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of assholes in The_Donald. There are. Some of them have valid political points to make, but most are just trolling and shit posting which was the entire point of the subreddit to begin with IMHO.

LeifCarrotson 9y ago
Here's the most recent thread (16 days ago) on this issue. /u/spez (the CEO of Reddit) responded [1] to a long list of unreported calls for violence on /r/the_donald, saying: > Many of these links are probably in violation of our policy, but most are unreported, which is what alerts the mods and our team, especially when there are few votes. We'll consider them reported now. > Generally the mods of the_donald have been cooperative when we approach them with systematic abuses. Typically we ban entire communities only when the mods are uncooperative or the entire premise of the community is in violation of our policies. In the past we have removed mods of the_donald that refuse to work with us. > Finally, the_donald is a small part of a large problem we face in this country—that a large part of the population feels unheard, and the last thing we're going to do is take their voice away. The reporter's response [2] said: >> most are unreported, which is what alerts the mods and our team > I don't accept that excuse. These were gathered by searching for phrases that should be included in their AutoModerator config. These calls for violence are mod enabled. There's definitely some validity to ignoring cherry-picked violations of low ranked comments and threads. But many of these should be caught automatically, just by watching for words and phrases like "kill", "hang", and "shoot". You'd have a lot of false positives, but a moderation and administration policy that was less tolerant of these calls for violence would not have this track record. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_for_my_quarterly_inquisition_reddit_ceo_here/dp708xx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_... [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_for_my_quarterly_inquisition_reddit_ceo_here/dp70uoc/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/7a4bjo/time_...

criddell 9y ago

What rules do they violate? When a user posts something that violates Reddit rules and the moderators are notified, do they remedy the situation?

EasyTiger_ 9y ago

I've seen worse on other political subreddits which are given a free pass Is the Donald even allowed on /r/all anymore?

kirRoyale 9y ago
Supposedly it's been blocked from reaching the front-page. But no one cares that <insertantidrumpfsubhere> gets to the front-page with 40k points and only 10k subscribers
DSMan195276 9y ago
It's not blocked, some posts do make it there occasionally. Previously they were able to rocket things to the front page by taking advantage of the fact that Reddit places a huge weight on the first few upvotes, so getting a lot of votes quickly almost always meant making the front page. Reddit had since changed the algorithm so that technique isn't as effective anymore. I would wager they just don't have the actual numbers normally to make the front page without gaming the algorithm. They have lots of subs but there active user count was always very low for the number of subs they have.