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Call me a fanboy, but something tells me that the guy who built a revolutionary space program from scratch while successfully running a revolutionary auto compa

Call me a fanboy, but something tells me that the guy who built a revolutionary space program from scratch while successfully running a revolutionary auto company, probably has some ability to think things through pretty comprehensively from all angles and plan effectively for what's needed. Do you think you've just pointed out something that never occurred to him? Do you think if you could share your comments with him, he would stop and stare at you blankly and say "Shit. You're right." You haven't just deflated the plan behind this entire, multi-year undertaking with your 5-minute analysis, as if you know more than all the engineers working at Tesla. The tone you're taking is just ridiculous.

hilbertseries 9y ago
>think things through pretty comprehensively from all angles and plan effectively for what's needed. Is that why model 3 production is going so well?
- colordrops 9y ago
  I've seen dozens of them around LA. Give it a few months and if it doesn't ramp then there might be a problem.
- aerovistae 9y ago
  Pretty sure Model 3 production is going amazingly well, yeah. Astoundingly well. But the media's portrayal of it has people convinced otherwise. Let's try this perspective instead: "Decade-old electric car company moves up plan for mass production of new affordable long-range sedan by 2 years" And then ask ourselves, after moving it up by 2 years, does a 3-month delay mean "things are going badly"? If I say I'm going to leap 500 feet, and then I leap 450 feet, do you say I failed?
  - baq 9y ago
    you over-promised and under-delivered, in that sense you failed. does it matter though?
  - _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
    I'd say someone who buys robots and operates them manually by men and claims "air resistance" is the biggest challenge in robotics because they should move so fast you can't see them, looks to me as not very sophisticated. But I don't operate robots.
    - _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
      "It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it" https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-te...
    - Aron 9y ago
      He wasn't saying that air resistance is currently a problem. The current problem is that the robots don't move fast enough for air resistance to be a problem. He's basically pushing the question 'Going faster is obviously good. What happens if we go really really fast?'
  - CPLX 9y ago
    > If I say I'm going to leap 500 feet, and then I leap 450 feet, do you say I failed? Yes, that's what the word failed means.
    - drusepth 9y ago
      Considering the long jump record is 30ft, I'd say he technically failed his lofty goal, but was still more successful at jumping than anyone else. I think that's the point the OP above is trying to get at.
    - lafar6502 9y ago
      and if your leap is 1 foot instead?
  - wils1245 9y ago
    If I owe you $500, and I give you $450, does that mean I paid back the loan? The consequence of not living up to an expectation depends on what's riding on that expectation. For a company trying to live up to a valuation higher than companies producing orders of magnitude more vehicles, I think it matters.
- sumedh 9y ago
  > Is that why model 3 production is going so well? I think OP is talking about the big picture, there will always be issues like the on with the production.
akhatri_aus 9y ago
It wasn't really from scratch though was it, he hired out people who had already worked with space projects. None of the tech is really new (yet). We used to have the same types of rockets in the past. Amongst Model 3 fiasco Solarcity too currently has issues.
- owlmirror 9y ago
  The entire reusability thing was not really a thing before spacex
  - akhatri_aus 9y ago
    There was already a working program that had their funding axed: Here's a video from 1995: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv9n9Casp1o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv9n9Casp1o. There were others too.
    - aerovistae 9y ago
      To answer your deleted question, there would be no point in listing their achievements for you because you're obviously determined to ignore them, and having them listed for you won't change that.
    - wellboy 9y ago
      Yes, because it is incredibly hard to bring reusable rockets from concept to full execution. The idea has been arouns for a long time and there have ben dozens of attempts of course, just as flying cars, autonomous cars, real A.I, space elevators. Concept an execution are vastly different animals, it is at least 1000 times more difficult to achieve resuable rockets than to have the idea and at least 100 times more difficult than to try it.
    - JulianMorrison 9y ago
      It really isn't a working program if it's never going to have enough payload capacity to lift its own fuel to orbit. It's a shiny prototype of computer controlled autonomous stabilized flight, like SpaceX Grasshopper. But that's about it.
_Codemonkeyism 9y ago
I call you a fanboy.
kingkawn 9y ago
You’re a fanboy
petepete 9y ago
No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.
deadmetheny 9y ago
You're a fanboy. Being good in one industry doesn't mean you can plan for entire other industries and magically determine their domain knowledge or change the way that industry does its business. I generally like what Musk is doing and think that Tesla is doing pretty great work, but he's not perfect and the pain points people are discussing in these threads are in no way unfounded. It's better to listen to the feedback and concerns in order to improve, rather than just fellating God-Engineer Musk and proclaiming his infallibility.
kodis 9y ago
Additionally, these trucks come with a one million mile warranty. I don't know how many millions of miles a conventional truck is expected to last, but with a Tesla truck, the maintenance costs should be fairly low, at least the first million miles.
lafar6502 9y ago
its a cult of one man and a pity that the man in question still wants to take all the credit i wonder who will take the blame when time comes

hilbertseries 9y ago

>think things through pretty comprehensively from all angles and plan effectively for what's needed. Is that why model 3 production is going so well?

colordrops 9y ago
I've seen dozens of them around LA. Give it a few months and if it doesn't ramp then there might be a problem.
aerovistae 9y ago
Pretty sure Model 3 production is going amazingly well, yeah. Astoundingly well. But the media's portrayal of it has people convinced otherwise. Let's try this perspective instead: "Decade-old electric car company moves up plan for mass production of new affordable long-range sedan by 2 years" And then ask ourselves, after moving it up by 2 years, does a 3-month delay mean "things are going badly"? If I say I'm going to leap 500 feet, and then I leap 450 feet, do you say I failed?
- baq 9y ago
  you over-promised and under-delivered, in that sense you failed. does it matter though?
- _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
  I'd say someone who buys robots and operates them manually by men and claims "air resistance" is the biggest challenge in robotics because they should move so fast you can't see them, looks to me as not very sophisticated. But I don't operate robots.
  - _Codemonkeyism 9y ago
    "It's like if you can see the robot move, it's too slow. We should be caring about air friction like things moving so fast. You should need a strobe light to see it" https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-terminal-decline https://seekingalpha.com/article/4122890-tesla-approaches-te...
  - Aron 9y ago
    He wasn't saying that air resistance is currently a problem. The current problem is that the robots don't move fast enough for air resistance to be a problem. He's basically pushing the question 'Going faster is obviously good. What happens if we go really really fast?'
- CPLX 9y ago
  > If I say I'm going to leap 500 feet, and then I leap 450 feet, do you say I failed? Yes, that's what the word failed means.
  - drusepth 9y ago
    Considering the long jump record is 30ft, I'd say he technically failed his lofty goal, but was still more successful at jumping than anyone else. I think that's the point the OP above is trying to get at.
  - lafar6502 9y ago
    and if your leap is 1 foot instead?
- wils1245 9y ago
  If I owe you $500, and I give you $450, does that mean I paid back the loan? The consequence of not living up to an expectation depends on what's riding on that expectation. For a company trying to live up to a valuation higher than companies producing orders of magnitude more vehicles, I think it matters.
sumedh 9y ago
> Is that why model 3 production is going so well? I think OP is talking about the big picture, there will always be issues like the on with the production.

akhatri_aus 9y ago

It wasn't really from scratch though was it, he hired out people who had already worked with space projects. None of the tech is really new (yet). We used to have the same types of rockets in the past. Amongst Model 3 fiasco Solarcity too currently has issues.

owlmirror 9y ago
The entire reusability thing was not really a thing before spacex
- akhatri_aus 9y ago
  There was already a working program that had their funding axed: Here's a video from 1995: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv9n9Casp1o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv9n9Casp1o. There were others too.
  - aerovistae 9y ago
    To answer your deleted question, there would be no point in listing their achievements for you because you're obviously determined to ignore them, and having them listed for you won't change that.
  - wellboy 9y ago
    Yes, because it is incredibly hard to bring reusable rockets from concept to full execution. The idea has been arouns for a long time and there have ben dozens of attempts of course, just as flying cars, autonomous cars, real A.I, space elevators. Concept an execution are vastly different animals, it is at least 1000 times more difficult to achieve resuable rockets than to have the idea and at least 100 times more difficult than to try it.
  - JulianMorrison 9y ago
    It really isn't a working program if it's never going to have enough payload capacity to lift its own fuel to orbit. It's a shiny prototype of computer controlled autonomous stabilized flight, like SpaceX Grasshopper. But that's about it.

_Codemonkeyism 9y ago

I call you a fanboy.

kingkawn 9y ago

You’re a fanboy

petepete 9y ago

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

deadmetheny 9y ago

You're a fanboy. Being good in one industry doesn't mean you can plan for entire other industries and magically determine their domain knowledge or change the way that industry does its business. I generally like what Musk is doing and think that Tesla is doing pretty great work, but he's not perfect and the pain points people are discussing in these threads are in no way unfounded. It's better to listen to the feedback and concerns in order to improve, rather than just fellating God-Engineer Musk and proclaiming his infallibility.

kodis 9y ago

Additionally, these trucks come with a one million mile warranty. I don't know how many millions of miles a conventional truck is expected to last, but with a Tesla truck, the maintenance costs should be fairly low, at least the first million miles.

lafar6502 9y ago

its a cult of one man and a pity that the man in question still wants to take all the credit i wonder who will take the blame when time comes