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> The Intersectional claim is basically that inherent markers like race have become a functionally like a marker of class. Hm. Unless closeparen edited their c
by throwawayjava 9y ago
> The Intersectional claim is basically that inherent markers like race have become a functionally like a marker of class.
Hm. Unless closeparen edited their comment, I've very confused, because that's not at all the claim that closeparen made.
In fact, the "all racism is really just a form of classism" is more common in conservative circles than leftist circles.
> So you're saying there's something magically special about the very specific formulation?
No, not at all. It's just one more idea. And it has a name. That name is Marxism. Use each name for the thing that it refers to, and nothing else.
> "Marxism" in such broad-brush terms is certainly not meaningless in any case.
Not really. Marxism refers to the political philosophy laid out in Capital and popularized in texts like the Manifesto. It refers to Marx's synthesis of a bunch of specific ideas -- Hegel's dialectics, materialism, the labor theory of value, commodity form, class warfare, markets, etc. -- some of which were unique to Marx and some of which pre-dated him by centuries. Marxism refers to, you know, Marx's system of thought.
I submit that whatever alternative definition you're proposing is silly and confusing.
> Anyone who throws individual rights under the bus in favor of the interests of the group
It's all fine and well that you're a traditional liberal, but calling everything that's "not you" a Marxist is pretty lazy.
- stcredzero 9y agoHm. Unless closeparen edited their comment, I've very confused I wasn't specifically referring to closeparen's comment at that point. What are you trying to pull? And it has a name. That name is Marxism. Sounds like your intoning some kind of quasi-religious exceptionalism. Marxism refers to, you know, Marx's system of thought. Which historically results in one group of people violently seizing stuff from another group of people using some collectivist morality because individual rights means nothing to them. Nothing confusing about that. calling everything that's "not you" a Marxist is pretty lazy. I'm calling everything collectivist that has resulted in the above Marxist. Historically, most everything collectivist that has gained control of a society has resulted in the above and has called itself "Marxist."
- throwawayjava 9y ago> I'm calling everything collectivist that has resulted in the above Marxist. Which is silly and does not comport how anyone serious about political economy would use the term "Marxist". You're free to use whatever words you want, but don't expect productive dialog if you dream up crazy definitions that no one else uses.